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Nick Dimiduk commented on HBASE-13260:
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Had a chat with [~enis] offline on this. Here's my understanding/summary:
 - this patch cleans up region code in a way that everyone likes, +1 for that 
bit
 - procV2 is used for all DDL operations in 1.1. DDL is a relatively small 
number of edits to wal
 - procV2 is not used for region assignment in 1.1, the use-case that involves 
potentially lots of wal edits
 - proc-wal is a branch new file format, new code, &c.
 - proc-wal is probably faster than region-wal, but we now think it's less than 
an order of magnitude slower
 - proc-wal and region-wal are interchangeable for the purposes of procV2

For branch-1.1, I'm in favor of region-wal for procV2 because it's *NOT* in a 
high throughput situation AND it means we can avoid supporting a new file 
format. Future improvements in performance to region wal help everyone. If we 
can't get it where we need perf-wise, we can always bring back proc-wal for 
region assignment operations -- that card is still up our sleeve.

[~stack], [~mbertozzi], [~enis] are you swayed?

> Bootstrap Tables for fun and profit 
> ------------------------------------
>
>                 Key: HBASE-13260
>                 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HBASE-13260
>             Project: HBase
>          Issue Type: Bug
>            Reporter: Enis Soztutar
>            Assignee: Enis Soztutar
>             Fix For: 2.0.0, 1.1.0
>
>         Attachments: hbase-13260_bench.patch, hbase-13260_prototype.patch
>
>
> Over at the ProcV2 discussions(HBASE-12439) and elsewhere I was mentioning an 
> idea where we may want to use regular old regions to store/persist some data 
> needed for HBase master to operate. 
> We regularly use system tables for storing system data. acl, meta, namespace, 
> quota are some examples. We also store the table state in meta now. Some data 
> is persisted in zk only (replication peers and replication state, etc). We 
> are moving away from zk as a permanent storage. As any self-respecting 
> database does, we should store almost all of our data in HBase itself. 
> However, we have an "availability" dependency between different kinds of 
> data. For example all system tables need meta to be assigned first. All 
> master operations need ns table to be assigned, etc. 
> For at least two types of data, (1) procedure v2 states, (2) RS groups in 
> HBASE-6721 we cannot depend on meta being assigned since "assignment" itself 
> will depend on accessing this data. The solution in (1) is to implement a 
> custom WAL format, and custom recover lease and WAL recovery. The solution in 
> (2) is to have the table to store this data, but also cache it in zk for 
> bootrapping initial assignments. 
> For solving both of the above (and possible future use cases if any), I 
> propose we add a "boostrap table" concept, which is: 
>  - A set of predefined tables hosted in a separate dir in HDFS. 
>  - A table is only 1 region, not splittable 
>  - Not assigned through regular assignment 
>  - Hosted only on 1 server (typically master)
>  - Has a dedicated WAL. 
>  - A service does WAL recovery + fencing for these tables. 
> This has the benefit of using a region to keep the data, but frees us to 
> re-implement caching and we can use the same WAL / Memstore / Recovery 
> mechanisms that are battle-tested. 
>  



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