nastra commented on a change in pull request #4019:
URL: https://github.com/apache/iceberg/pull/4019#discussion_r798294220



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Review comment:
       > I understand, but with that we are then just saving a few lines of 
code. I don't see much additional benefit, and we break a few code patterns in 
the codebase including:
   > 
   > 1. it uses `getSomeValue` instead of `someValue` as method name for getters
   > 2. we cannot have flexible logic inside the builder to check for specific 
`ValidationException` and has to do it outside the generated builder
   > 3. we have separated API module code patterns with some using Immutable 
and some do not
   > 
   > that's why I was asking for what are the other benefits.
   
   
   Just for clarification as there seem to be some misinterpretation of how 
Immutables work (and maybe I did a terrible job in explaining it previously):
   IMO the biggest benefit is that you get truly immutable objects that are 
always in a consistent state, thus allowing you to implicitly enforce good 
engineering practices through those. All the other things (generated builders, 
JSON support, ...) are additional bonuses that you don't have to use if not 
needed
   
   1. you can choose any prefix for those methods, so it can be with or without 
`get`
   2. you can still have that flexibility. At the time when I proposed the 
first PR with Immutables it wasn't clear that this is something that we wanted 
to have but it doesn't mean that you can't have that with Immutables
   3. I'm not sure why it would matter that much if some classes would use 
Immutables and some wouldn't. As long as you're using the existing API to 
construct those instances, it shouldn't make a difference for users of those 
classes. You can have static methods and hide the `ImmutableXyzBuilder` behind 
it like it's being done in 
https://github.com/apache/iceberg/blob/063281ab0a7ab72f2927aa19376625f3ff55be97/api/src/main/java/org/apache/iceberg/catalog/Namespace.java#L37-L43.
   4. Introducing Immutables doesn't mean that we would have to rewrite 
everything. We should only do so where it makes sense and where we'd like to 
make sure things are truly immutable
   
   I hope that helps a bit. Anyway, I didn't want to hijack this PR with a 
discussion around Immutables but rather just propose something that's helpful, 
so let's move this discussion to a different place :)
   
   




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