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Chris M. Hostetter commented on SOLR-16455:
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Sorry for the delay in responding, i've been traveling...
{quote}bq. Does Jeb's point make sense to you [~hossman], or is there some
distinction between Microsoft/Atlassian or Github/JIRA that Jeb's missing?
{quote}
Jeb seems to be completely missing the distinctions between ToS required by
companies like Atlassian (or microsoft or gitub oranybody) offering hosted SAAS
services – where you create an account with the SAAS provider, and non-SAAS
software installed on ASF hardware that may have been crated & sold by some
company (that offers a similar SAAS)and is operated by the ASF on ASF hardware
– just because Atlassian may have a ToS that applies to anyone creating an
"Atlasian Account" or may block traffic to their {{*.attlasian.net}} servers
from certain countries, doesn't affect anybody using {{jira.apache.org}} ...
(Ishan & cassandra alluded to this in their responses)
{quote}Weirdly I can't find the email anywhere on lists.apache.org, but you
should be able to search your email for "[ANNOUNCE] Changes to Jira Account
Creation".
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You're going to be more specific then that and provide an actual list name that
this was sent to (are you sure this isn't a private/PMC list mailing?)
If this is truly how infra plans to move forward then that really just fucking
sucks, and marks a serious end to the era of free (as in speech) and open
collaboration @ the ASF.
> Migrate Jira to Github Issues and Github Projects
> -------------------------------------------------
>
> Key: SOLR-16455
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/SOLR-16455
> Project: Solr
> Issue Type: Wish
> Security Level: Public(Default Security Level. Issues are Public)
> Components: github
> Reporter: Jeb Nix
> Priority: Trivial
> Attachments: image-2022-10-11-02-25-04-799.png,
> image-2022-10-11-02-38-52-609.png
>
>
> Link to the mailing list disscussion thread:
> [https://lists.apache.org/thread/kdzl9v7byhj6dnkzwbvtyfb5dok33dbs]
> GitHub is where people are at when they lookup for Solr (or basically any
> project). Most of the modern projects that have been started with Jira and
> mailing lists have migrated to Github in the last few years. Lucene did that
> just now for the Issues which has allowed me to explore much more of their
> issues. GitHub works great and many think that it works even better.
> In my opinion, when the issues are managed on Github, it is much simpler to
> collaborate and they will get wider exposure since developers are spending
> time on Github anyway (whether if it's for their projects or for looking at
> the actual source code). It is also important to mention that it is pretty
> cumbersome for a new contributor that wants to add stuff to Solr, to talk
> about this via mail, then translate them to Jira of the issues, and just
> after that submit a PR on Github. e.g. 3 different systems for each process.
> Other advantages are in the area of integrating code with issues. Take a look
> at a new issue that has been submitted to Lucene, in which one can point to a
> specific line / introduce sophisticated code blocks:
> !image-2022-10-11-02-25-04-799.png|width=886,height=288!
> !image-2022-10-11-02-38-52-609.png|width=859,height=703!
> These are just simple examples, but I can easily dive into all of the minor
> and major advantages of writing issues on Github rather than in different
> places. I'll only mention now that the ability to write MD files is much more
> convenient to a user that writing MD on PRs, and using two different text
> editors for mail and Jira.
> The main advantages of migration are:
> * Easier to evolve the community and expose Solr Issues to newbies
> * Ability to integrate code with issues
> * Using a unified format for writing text - Markdowns
> * A more modern and comfortable UI
> * A unified UI for everything regarding Solr
> * Issues templates
> * Wider and more understandable usage of votes and feelings (with emojis)
> * All Solr contributors and most Solr users have a GitHub account. Not all
> of them have a Jira ASF account.
> * All Solr contributors and most Solr users are spending time on GitHub
> anyway.
> Actually, I thought such a great move (for me at least) would never happen in
> Solr in the next years since I didn't think that the community sees &
> understands the many advantages yet. But now that the Lucene guys did this, I
> believe that it is possible for Solr too. As a reference, here's the relevant
> LUCENE-10557 that suggested the migration. Note that this issue suggests a
> wider migration - not only for GitHub Issues (and later Github Projects to
> manage them) but also for Solr Operator is of course a great live example of
> this. Currently, Solr Operator manages releases with milestones and labels
> issues/ PRs.
> Referencing the tool used by Lucene for performing the task
> [https://github.com/apache/lucene-jira-archive]. This would be great for the
> migration of issues. The major tasks would be:
> * Get a consensus about the migration among committers
> * Choose issues that should be moved to GitHub - We'll migrate all issues
> towards an atomic switch to GitHub if no major technical obstacles show up.
> *
> ** Write a migration script
> * Prepare a complete migration tool
> ** See [https://github.com/apache/lucene-jira-archive/issues/5] as a
> reference for the Lucene's one
> * Build the convention for issue label/milestone management
> *
> ** Do some experiments on a sandbox repository
> [https://github.com/jebnix/sandbox-SOLR-16455]
> ** Make documentation for metadata (label/milestone) management
> * Enable Github issue on the Solr's repository
> ** Raise an issue on INFRA
> ** Set a mail hook to
> [iss...@lucene.apache.org|mailto:iss...@lucene.apache.org] (many thanks to
> the general mail group name)
> * Set a schedule for migration
> ** Give some time to committers to play around with issues/labels/milestones
> before the actual migration
> ** Make an announcement on the mailing lists
> ** Show some text messages when opening a new Jira issue
> h4.
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