Hi again Hans

I think I solved it, at least with mplayer. The correct command line was
"mplayer -demuxer rawvideo -rawvideo pal:format=hm12 /dev/video32". The tip
about hm12 format did I find in an earlier posting from you. Using raw-YUV
it just as fast as in Windows, as you assumed. I.e. there is virtually no
delay. Now the next step is to see if I can show this videostrem using
Gstreamer too since my application is built based on Gstreamer. 

Thanks for your help.

/Ola

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hans Verkuil
Sent: den 15 mars 2006 23:43
To: User discussion about IVTV
Subject: Re: [ivtv-users] How to lower the latency (delay) on
compositevideowhen capturing (PVR 150)?

On Wednesday 15 March 2006 23:08, Ola Theander wrote:
> Hi Hans
>
> I guess you've heard it before, but I must say that I am so impressed 
> how much work you put into answering peoples questions, not to speak 
> about the work you put into the driver. Now that it's said, to my 
> actual reply.
>
> To be honest, I have no idea what differences there was when I tried 
> it on the Windows platform, but as you say, an mpeg-transformation is 
> certainly not done in an instant so it might be that it defaulted to 
> the raw YUV or maybe removed the number of B-frames. I've talked to 
> Hauppauge before buying the card and asked them about the latency, 
> since it so important for my application, and they said that on 
> Windows there should be a registry setting that circumvented the mpeg 
> encoding, it might be so that it was set to that by default since I 
> basically just installed the drivers and tried it with the bundled 
> sample program.
>
> Anyway, I'll try the B frame setting, but do you perhaps know how I 
> can use the raw YUV input instead of mpeg as you suggest below? I 
> noticed that ivtv has some switches concerning YUV but it seems to 
> have to do with interlacing.

/dev/video32 produces a non-standard YUV format (the raw PCM audio arrives
at /dev/video24, note that the audio is about 2 frames behind the video if I
remember correctly). You can play the YUV with mplayer (search the
mailinglist archives for the correct command invocation).

I can also mail you a simple prog to convert the ivtv YUV format into
something more standardized.

Basically you just read a full frame at a time from /dev/video32.

        Hans

>
> Kind regards, Ola
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hans Verkuil
> Sent: den 15 mars 2006 22:53
> To: User discussion about IVTV
> Subject: Re: [ivtv-users] How to lower the latency (delay) on 
> compositevideo when capturing (PVR 150)?
>
> The latency messages you see are totally unrelated.
> One option is to use the raw YUV input instead of the MPEG input.
> That's near instantaneous (I think).
>
> I can't think how they would make mpeg encoding instantaneous in 
> windows since mpeg encoding relies on a history. Perhaps you can play 
> with the number of B frames (ivtvctl -c bframes=0) so no history is 
> needed. If the firmware is really smart, then it might have a lower 
> latency.
>
>       Hans
>
> On Wednesday 15 March 2006 22:00, Ola Theander wrote:
> > Dear subscribers
> >
> > I'm right now trying out the Hauppauge PVR 150 card for use in a 
> > project where I need to capture composite video basically in real 
> > time. The video signal is received by the computer from a manually 
> > operated camera. The camera is mounted on a long cable which the 
> > computer operator guides in narrow pipes by the view on the computer 
> > screen. To make the operation as easy as possible for the operator I 
> > want as short delay as possible between actually moving the camera 
> > and until the movement is reflected on the computer screen.
> >
> > I realize that this isn't important if you e.g. capture a video from 
> > an analogue video camera since the delay when the video stream 
> > passes through the hardware/software until it's stored on the hard 
> > disk isn't noticeable when you later playback the video.
> >
> > I know that the Hauppauge card is capable of virtually no latency 
> > since I started out by trying it using Windows and on Windows the 
> > screen update when moving the camera was more or less instantaneous, 
> > at least the delay wasn't noticeable.
> >
> > The basic tests I've performed I just did "mplayer /dev/video0" and 
> > moved the camera. The delay seems to be in the order of 0.5 - 1.0 
> > seconds before the picture is updated. If I look in the output of 
> > dmesg I notice one line stating "ivtv0: Unreasonably low latency 
> > timer, setting to 64 (was 32)" and I wonder if that might have 
> > something to do with this?
> >
> > Eventually I'll use GStreamer instead and I know that the latency in 
> > the 0.8 code branch is much worse that it is in the latter 0.9 and 
> > 0.10. I've tried my solution with GStreamer 0.10 and an external 
> > composite 2 firewire-dv converter so I know that it's possible to 
> > have quite a low delay. Now I just hope that I can do the same using 
> > the PVR 150.
> >
> > Any help on this matter would be greatly appreciated.
> >
> > Kind regards, Ola Theander
> >
> >
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