Hi!

Already tried disabling cpu speed management. Doesn't change anything  
for me.

My vacancy ends on sunday so I can resume testing on this on monday  
and I can answer mails more frequently. I think the first thing I'm  
going to try is setting up some <=2.6.13 kernels. Until now I just  
tried 2.6.14 and 2.6.15.

Yours,
Michael


Am 10.08.2006 um 21:15 schrieb Simen Thoresen:

> Michael Zanetti wrote:
>> Hi Simen, Rey,
>
> Hi Michael, Rey,
>
> I've been able to confirm on my own that this issue is not limited  
> to SMP-kernels;
> My 2.6.17.6 kernel is susceptible in both SMP and UP modes. My  
> CentOS 2.6.9 kernel is not usable in SMP mode (unrelated timer/ 
> motherboard problems), and  on the 2.6.9 UP kernel I had to disable  
> the cpuspeed service (load-based clock throttling) as loading the  
> single-CPU powernow-modules dies rather horribly on my X2 kernel.  
> Still, i did /not/ see the problem with the 2.6.9 kernel, and I  
> feel the test was running for a sufficient length.
>
> I saw Kristo (on the list) mentioning that this had been tied to  
> CPU throttling, so I'm currently back to the 2.6.17 SMP-kernel,  
> unmodified 0.7.0 ivtv-source but cpuspeed disabled. As it was with  
> this setup that I first noticed the errors, I think I will do so  
> again. I've set up a regimen to grab and encode a lot more data tv- 
> time than I usually do, so I hope the error will show up quickly.
>
> Michael, Rey, can you confirm that you are running with a speed  
> management utility, or (possibly) that your kernels are compiled  
> with support for speed management?
>
> This should show as the presence of the
> /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/
> subtree (I'm not sure if there is a similar /proc) interface.
>
> If so, perhaps you too could give running without speed managment a  
> try?
>
> I'll report back when I have run a while with this, or have seen  
> errors.
>
> Yours,
> -S
>
>
>
>
>> Am 05.08.2006 um 12:46 schrieb Simen Thoresen:
>>> Hi Michael, Rey,
>>>
>>> I have not seen any new replies to this, nor anything from any  
>>> developers. As I wrote in my problem report, I've been an ivtv- 
>>> user for a while, but only recently subscribed to the list - thus  
>>> I don't know what to expect from developer interest and such.
>>>
>>> Still - assuming the developers are reading the list and and are  
>>> interested in the problem, I thought I'd try to summarise our  
>>> systems so that we can get similarities or differences sorted out.
>>>
>>> My system (as previously written) is an Asus A8N-SLI Deluxe  
>>> motherboard, with an Athlon64 X2 chip, running in i386 mode, with  
>>> ivtv 0.7.0 on a 2.6.17.6 kernel.
>> My system:
>> ASUS A8V (VIA-chipset).
>> tried kernel 2.6.14 and 2.6.15 (I cannot use >=2.6.16 because of  
>> missing support from dmraid)
>> tried ivtv-0.4.x
>> The best results I got with 0.4.0. The system stays up for about 2  
>> days. The worst case comes with 0.4.5. ivtv crashes after about 10  
>> minutes.
>>>
>>> This means
>>> -NForce4 (I would not thing that mobo brand or chipset features  
>>> matter too much)
>>> -SMP (This may be important. I've run my card with ivtv-0.4.x  
>>> 'forever' in UP-mode on older kernels without issues)
>>> -kernel 2.6.17 + ivtv 0.7.0
>>>
>>>
>>> Michael;
>>> From your mail, I understand you are running an A8V board (That  
>>> would be a ViA K8T800pro-board, right?). Are you running an X2  
>>> CPU in SMP on this? In i386 and not x86-64 mode?
>> Yes, it is the A8V with the mentioned chipset. I do not have an X2  
>> CPU and tried both, SMP and not SMP. I tried a fresh x86 install  
>> and a x86-64 install. I still have both of them on my drive so I  
>> can test them both.
>> 2 weeks ago I put my old HD from my PIII mythbox into this PC and  
>> tested with this. For two days I could run the system without one  
>> error. Unfortunately I had a disk headcrash and the working system  
>> is now away (I know I'm too lazy with backups).
>>> Also, you're writing that ivtv 'crashes' - are we talking about  
>>> the same DMA error;
>>> warning: ENC: (0) DMA Error 0x0000000b
>>> reported some or many times during a capture?
>>> The actual error number may be important, altho I don't know what  
>>> it signifies.
>>>
>> Right. It is the same Error and also the number matches. The  
>> message appears just as the System load goes up. For example when  
>> running one recording and mythcommflag or running 2 recordings and  
>> watching one at the same time. I couldn't find a certain point of  
>> CPU load causing the problems. Probably the DMA-access from the  
>> hard disk and the ivtv-cards at the same time are disturbing each  
>> other.
>>> Altho my errors were a lot less frequent that I have seen others  
>>> report, they never caused ivtv to stop working, nor impaired  
>>> system stability.
>>>
>>>
>> My system throws out some DMA errors and then the one:
>> ivtv: DMA still pending while stopping capture.
>> After this message the card is unusable and I have to reboot the  
>> system. Unloading and reloading the ivtv module doesn't help.
>>>
>>> Rey;
>>> You write that you have the same setup as I have. Could you  
>>> please expand on that?
>>> Did the patch work for you as well as it does for me?
>> Of course the patch works well since DMA for the ivtv-cards is  
>> totally switched off. Unfortunately its not a solution for me  
>> since I cannot watch any recordings when both cards are capturing  
>> because of the CPU load.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So - assuming Michael is experiencing the same problem I am, it  
>>> would seem that his is /not/ a chipset issue (or, if it is, both  
>>> NForce4 and K8T800pro chipsets are affected), but the common line  
>>> is that it applies to Athlon64 CPUs, possibly SMP setups.
>> I agree with the chipsets but its not the SMP setup.
>>>
>>> From my own experience from my own setup, I feel pretty confident  
>>> that the the main change I introduced was the SMP CPU. I see  
>>> others have reported this issue with other kernels and ivtv- 
>>> versions, but good information is typically missing.
>>>
>>> With a little spare time, I will build an UP kernel and give that  
>>> a spin with an unmodified ivtv-driver. Given that my errors never  
>>> were very frequent, testing will take time to be conclusive.
>> I did some more testing but couldn't find out any setups working  
>> fine.
>> As mentioned above I think it could have to do something with the  
>> DMA transfers of the hard disks. I am using a SATA I -Raid 0  
>> setup. Are you using SATA and/or RAID?
>> Hope this helps. Let me know if you need some more information.  
>> Currently I'm not at home so I cannot do any testing for the next  
>> week.
>> Michael
>
> -- 
> Simen Thoresen, Dolphin ICS
>


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