I would suggest that the wording is simple: pragmatism versus ideology. Ivy is oriented around getting the job done.
Maven is oriented about getting the job done in one specific way (Their set of best practices). Maven is fine (if slow and ill documented ) if you are able to adhere to their best practices. My experience is that the minute you deviate from their best practices you are simply doomed to delving into their source and Any workaround you put in will bite you in the butt later. Most of the time the frustration I see with users of Maven is that ideology is cold comfort when you have to shoehorn something into their model. Good Luck with the presentation, Jim -----Original Message----- From: Xavier Hanin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 4:43 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: ApacheCon Talk On 3/9/07, Vishal Vishnoi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I like how you have presented pro's of both (Ant + Ivy) and Maven. > > My personal experience have been that Ivy WORKS :-). I've seen many > projects trying to use Maven and crash and burn..imagine a > build/dependency management system, which is so crippling and brittle. > > My favorite quote from someone using Maven was: > > "/I understood the technology of the project in not time. It took me > ages to figure out how Maven works. Doing simple things is very hard. > It's very buggy and has horrendous documentation/" > > I know you can't state this in your presentation, but just wanted to > let you know that I'm glad Ivy is around for us to use with Ant. Thanks for these kind words, I always appreciate them. Maybe to reflect what you say I can add to the pros of Ant+Ivy "no magic". I don't find the good words (at least not in english :-)), but I think you get the idea. - Xavier --Vishal > > Xavier Hanin wrote: > > Thanks to your feedback I've updated the slides to integrate your > > suggestions. I haven't tested if I'll have enough time with those > > slides, it > > may be a bit too long now. > > > > Tell me what you think would be the best to cut down if I need time. And > > give me your feedback on the changes, especially on Maven / Ivy > > comparison, > > I wan't to be as fair as possible, so I'll welcome any comment. > > > > Thanks for your time, > > > > - Xavier > > > > On 3/9/07, Xavier Hanin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >> Hi Ivy users, > >> > >> As you probablu alreaday know I'll give a talk at next ApacheCon > >> Europe : > >> http://www.eu.apachecon.com/program/talk/47 > >> > >> I've just started preparing the slides, and I would like to gather some > >> feedback. Obviously without the talk it's more difficult to get an > >> opinion, > >> but anyway, if you have time the very early draft of the slides is > >> available > >> here: > >> > >> > https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/ivy/core/trunk/doc/presentati ons/apache-con-2007/slides.ppt > >> > >> > >> Any feedback would be strongly appreciated! > >> > >> - Xavier > >> > > > > _______________________________________________________________________ > Notice: This email message, together with any attachments, may contain > information of BEA Systems, Inc., its subsidiaries and affiliated > entities, that may be confidential, proprietary, copyrighted and/or > legally privileged, and is intended solely for the use of the individual > or entity named in this message. If you are not the intended recipient, > and have received this message in error, please immediately return this > by email and then delete it. >
