I am struggling with these subtleties - thats right. e.g. nihongo ha totemo muzukashii noni/toshitemo/keredomo/tokoroga isshoukenmei bekyou shite jozu ni narimasu
arent they all correct ,and convey the same? --- In [email protected], "ai3131" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], "randhir_nag" > <randhir_nag@> wrote: > > > > Is one just a formal way of using the other - they both seem to > > mean 'even though' or 'no matter'.> > > Yes, they do mean the same thing, more or less. (Although, "no ni" > is often used to express the idea of "even though".) However, "to > shite mo" -- simply because of the way it's structured -- means more > like "assuming that X happens", rather than merely "even if". > > I would suggest learning how individual particles such > as "wa", "ga", and "to" are used in Japanese. From my experience > most Japanese particles tend to be multipurpose, so it pays to learn > how they work when used on their own before tackling their use in > conjunction with other particles. For example, "to" used after a > verbal clause usually means "if", whereas the same particle used > between two nouns or noun clauses means "and", specifically > indicating that there are no other nouns included in the sentence; > when saying something like "things such as cigarettes and > cigars", "ya" is used in place of "to" within a Japanese sentence. > > Personally, I am still learning how groups of particles are used in > a sentence, so I can empathize with your situation. Something like > Kakuko Shoji's "Japanese Core Words and Phrases" would be helpful. > Very good book for knowing phrases that are seldom found in a > dictionary. > > Once your proficiency in grammar has increased to an advanced level, > a book such as Nobuo & Carol Akiyama's "Japanese idioms" would be > convenient. Japanese, like many other languages, has idiomatic > expressions that do not lend themselves well to translation and, > although several idioms have become obsolete in major Japanese > cities, it would not be uncommon to hear such idioms on conversation > among townsfolk and members of the previous generation of Japanese. > Of course you need not worry about that now, but that is just to let > you know how much one must learn before he can consider himself a > fluent Japanese speaker. > > - Arian I. > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Japanese_Language/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Japanese_Language/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
