I am struggling with these subtleties - thats right.
 
e.g. nihongo ha totemo muzukashii noni/toshitemo/keredomo/tokoroga 
isshoukenmei bekyou shite jozu ni narimasu 

arent they all correct ,and convey the same?


--- In [email protected], "ai3131" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In [email protected], "randhir_nag" 
> <randhir_nag@> wrote:
> >
> > Is one just a formal way of using the other - they both seem to 
> > mean 'even though' or 'no matter'.>
> 
> Yes, they do mean the same thing, more or less. (Although, "no ni" 
> is often used to express the idea of "even though".) However, "to 
> shite mo" -- simply because of the way it's structured -- means 
more 
> like "assuming that X happens", rather than merely "even if".
> 
> I would suggest learning how individual particles such 
> as "wa", "ga", and "to" are used in Japanese. From my experience 
> most Japanese particles tend to be multipurpose, so it pays to 
learn 
> how they work when used on their own before tackling their use in 
> conjunction with other particles. For example, "to" used after a 
> verbal clause usually means "if", whereas the same particle used 
> between two nouns or noun clauses means "and", specifically 
> indicating that there are no other nouns included in the sentence; 
> when saying something like "things such as cigarettes and 
> cigars", "ya" is used in place of "to" within a Japanese sentence.
> 
> Personally, I am still learning how groups of particles are used in 
> a sentence, so I can empathize with your situation. Something like 
> Kakuko Shoji's "Japanese Core Words and Phrases" would be helpful. 
> Very good book for knowing phrases that are seldom found in a 
> dictionary. 
> 
> Once your proficiency in grammar has increased to an advanced 
level, 
> a book such as Nobuo & Carol Akiyama's "Japanese idioms" would be 
> convenient. Japanese, like many other languages, has idiomatic 
> expressions that do not lend themselves well to translation and, 
> although several idioms have become obsolete in major Japanese 
> cities, it would not be uncommon to hear such idioms on 
conversation 
> among townsfolk and members of the previous generation of Japanese. 
> Of course you need not worry about that now, but that is just to 
let 
> you know how much one must learn before he can consider himself a 
> fluent Japanese speaker.
> 
> - Arian I.
>




 
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