wow!thanks a lot!
--- In [email protected], Misanthropos
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hello!
>
> I'm not a native speaker of Japanese, so to make sure the
explanation
> I give is correct I asked about it my Japanese friend. But, before
> I'll write a few words about the sentences, let me summarize the
uses
> of "koto" and "no".
>
> Firstly, both "no" and "koto" are used to change the phrase of
> sentence which precedes them into a noun, which is why they can
later
> be used as an indirect object or subject. In general, on many
> occasions both "no" and "koto" can be used, the latter being more
> formal and objectively sounding, while the former being used mostly
in
> conversations.
>
> Situations where only "koto" can be used:
>
> * with verbs: hanasu (speak), tsutaeru, yakusoku suru, meijiru,
inoru,
> kibou suru, kiku (ask) etc. - verbs related in some way to speaking
>
> o Zemi ni derarenai koto wo sensei ni tsutaete kudasai.
> x Zemi ni derarenai no wo sennsei ni tsutaete kudasai.
(incorrect)
>
> * if any form of the copula "da" comes after it (da, desu, de aru)
>
> * in fixed constructions such as "~ koto ga dekiru, ~ koto ga aru, ~
> koto ni suru, ~ koto ni naru" etc.
>
> Situations where only "no" can be used:
>
> * with verbs related to one's senses: miru, mieru, kiku (to hear),
kikoeru etc.
>
> o Kouen de Michiko-san ga hashitte iru no ga miemasu.
> x Kouen de Michiko-san ga hashitte iru koto ga miemasu.
(incorrect)
>
> * with verbs such as: matsu, tetsudau, jama suru, utsusu etc.
>
> o Kodomo ga neru no wo matte, denwa wo kaketa.
> x Kodomo ga neru koto wo matte, denwa wo kaketa (incorrect).
>
> * before the verb "tomeru" (to stop)
>
>
> These are the uses of "no" and "koto" related to changing preceding
> words into a noun-phrase, which you supposedly need for your report
if
> you're going to compare the two. However, apart from them, "no" has
> also a few different meanings, some of which you mentioned in the
> sentences. For example:
>
> * "no" from the phrase "no desu" - a terrible amount of various
meanings
> * "no" meaning "the one", as in "yasui no" (the cheap one), used not
> to nominalize a phrase, but to substitute a phrase.
> * there exist also several types of sentences which emphasize the
> meaning of the sentence in some way:
>
> S no wa, ~ kara da.
>
> Anata wo nagutta no wa, mou sore ijou anata no koui ni gaman
> dekinakatta kara da.
>
> The reason why I hit you is that I couldn't stand your behaviour
any more.
>
> S no wa, ~ no koto da.
>
> Nihon ni kita no wa, 1nen mae no koto da.
>
> It is one year ago that I came to Japan.
>
> etc. In such emphatic structures "no" cannot be substituted
by "koto".
>
> Oh, and concerning your example sentences... In numbers 1, 2, 3*, 4,
> 5, 6, 16 and 17 both answers are correct, but the one with "no"
would
> be used normally in daily conversations, while the other one sounds
> more formal and you'd be more likely to encounter it in writing.
>
> The sentence 3* there is a mistake. In normal everyday Japanese it
> would be much more natural to say:
>
> Watashi wa kinou no tesuto de namae wo kaku no/koto wo wasureta.
>
> In sentence number 4, it sounds more naturally to say:
>
> A-san wa taberu no/koto wo wasurete ita?
>
> In sentences 7, 8, 9, 10 and 11 only the version with "no" is
> plausible. The reasons are as follows: 7 - special emphatic
structure,
> 8 - 'no' meaning "the one", 9 - emphatic structure or "the one". In
10
> and 11 such conjunction as "koto de" simply doesn't exist, while
> "node" sounds all right, although it is not a connection of two
> particles "no" and "de", so it shouldn't be considered here at all.
>
> In sentences 12, 13, 14, 15 the only correct option is "koto",
because
> all the sentences are either fixed idiomatic phrases or "koto" is
> followed by "desu", which makes using "no" impossible, as I
explained
> above.
>
>
> I hope this helps a little bit. Good night!
>
> Maciek
>
>
>
> 2007/10/13, mojari07 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >
> >
> > hi...i need your help...i am making a paper about the difference
of
> > nominalizers no and koto..
> > please answer the following questions and pleas indicate if you
are a
> > second language learner or a japanese native speaker
> > thank you!
> > Imi wa chigaimasu ka? Dochira ga tadashii desu ka?
> > Setsumeishite kudasai.
> >
> > 1. Kanji wo kakukoto ga heta desu.
> > Kanji wo kaku no ga heta desu.
> >
> > 2. Manga wo yomukoto ga suki desu.
> > Manga wo yomuno ga suki desu.
> >
> > 3. Watashi ga kinou no tesuto ni namae wo kakukoto wo
> > wasureta.
> > Watashi ga kinou no tesuto ni namae wo kakuno wo
> > wasureta.
> >
> > 4. A-san wa taberukoto wo wasureta?
> > A-san wa taberuno wo wasureta?
> >
> > 5. Gakusei wa Sensei ga nihon e ikukoto wo shitte
> > imasu ka.
> > Gakusei wa Sensei ga nihon e ikuno wo shitte imasu ka.
> >
> > 6. Fuji-san ni noborukoto wa tanoshii desu.
> > Fuji-san ni noboruno wa tanoshii desu.
> >
> > 7. Dana-san ga nihon e kurukoto wa kugatsu
> > juushichinichi desu.
> > Dana-san ga nihon e kuruno wa kugatsu juushichinichi
> > desu.
> >
> > 8. Watashi wa shiroikoto ga kirai desu.
> > Watashi wa shiroi no ga kirai desu.
> >
> > 9. Watashi no daigaku no hito de ichiban yuumeinakoto
> > wa A-san desu.
> > Watashi no daigaku no hito de ichiban yuumeinano wa
> > A-san desu.
> >
> >
> > 10. Kanji wo wakaranaikoto de, hiragana de kaite
> > kudasai.
> > Kanji wo wakaranaino de, hiragana de kaite kudasai.
> >
> > 11. Nihonggo wa omoshiroikoto de, benkyoushimasu.
> > Nihonggo wa omoshiroino de, benkyoushimasu.
> >
> > 12. Firipin e ittakoto ga arimasu ka?
> > Firipin e ittano ga arimasu ka?
> >
> > 13. Watashi no shumi wa e wo kakukoto desu.
> > Watashi no shumi wa e wo kakuno desu.
> >
> >
> > 14. Omiyage wo kaukoto ga dekimasu ka?
> > Omiyage wo kauno ga dekimasu ka?
> >
> > 15. Watashi wa uma no e wo kakukoto ga dekimasu.
> > Watashi wa uma no e wo kakuno ga dekimasu.
> >
> > 16.Sono kurasu ga tsumaranai koto wa yuumei desu.
> > Sono kurasu ga tsumaranaino wa yuumei desu.
> >
> > 17.Sono machi ga kirei na koto wa yuumei desu.
> > Sono machi ga kirei na no wa yuumei desu.
> >
> > Itsu no wo tsukaimasu ka?
> > Itsu koto wo tsukaimasu ka?
> > no to koto no chigai wa nan desu ka?
> >
> > thank you so much!
> >
>
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