I have been biting my tong on this because it seemed so off topic.  But I just 
can't take it any more.  Why do people
get upset about these things?  Does anyone seriously think the members of Apache.org 
were trying to insult native
americans?  Its just a stupid picture.  This whole PC thing is really out of hand.

    Sorry for this obviously miss placed vent against the idiosity masquerading as 
society.  Face it 99.9% of the people
really don't care.  So why is the .1% getting to make all the rules?

    Additionally why isn't the reason for the logo problem spelled out on the web 
page?  Did someone actually complain or
was it preemptive?

    There I said it, feel free to email me directly,  I wouldn't want to continue this 
in the mailing list.

Ron Burton
Your typical fat white guy and therefore responsible for all of societies problems.  
:-)

These are my opinions only and clearly not the opinions of my employer who will 
probably deal most harshly with my
opinions in the most harshest of ways.


Nick Brazziel wrote:

> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: Logo "incident"
> Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 08:16:30 -0500
> From: Nick Brazziel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Java Apache Users <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Rogerio Meneguelli Gatto wrote:
>
> > I just visited java.apache.org.  What was it about the logo?
> >
> > This is probably not of my business, so I will understand if I get no answers (or 
>private answers, not to the list).
> >
> > []'s
> > Gatto
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> Hi Rogerio!  The issue I think was the cartoonish depiction of a Native
> American (Apache) sitting with a cup of coffee.
> While the name for the web server stemmed
> from the fact that it contains lots of patches, hence "A-patchy-web
> server" became
> Apache, the logo could be construed as a slur on the Apache Indian
> tribe.  I am part Native American (Choctaw tribe),
> and thought it (the logo) was a little out of line, especially
> considering that the Apache's history as a proud and
> fierce warrior tribe.
> I think it would have been okay if an Apache had been contacted and
> maybe someone from the tribe could have designed or
> helped design the logo - then it would have
> reflected a tradition as proud and strong as the Apache web server
> itself.
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