Hello again,

the discussion went quiet well but there is no solution for the
problem using multiple gdata server instances behind a load balancer.
I will definitely stick to my own token, using the jsession id I will
tie myself to a particular server instance. Not all servers
replicate sessions such that they have the same ID by default.
Therefore I should use my own token rather then relying on
jsessionid.
As otis said preparing the server for use behind a loadbalancer
"sounds like a big bite for SoC" I will create my own session handling
for a single instance of the server. It might be a nice task
implementing a sessionhandling for multiple servers after the SoC has
finished. In my opinion the project should provide core functionality
and will be extended in further development.
If any of you have ideas for using a stateless approach for the
authentication component I really appreciate any suggestion!

regards simon

On 6/17/06, Simon Willnauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On 6/17/06, Otis Gospodnetic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Simon,
>
> I don't fully understand your question, but if sessions are replicated, then 
the GData cluster doesn't care which GData server the client contacts, as they 
will all already have the token that was given to the client.  On subsequent 
requests, the client will have to send the token.  I am not sure if GData protocol 
specifies how that should be sent - via a query string param or perhaps even a 
HTTP request header (e.g. X-gdata-auth: SomeTokenHere).  The jsessionId carries 
the HttpSession ID if the client doesn't support, and thus doesn't send back, 
cookies.  If it does suppose cookies, they will be sent via Set-Cookie or some 
such HTTP request header.

The client will send back the auth token either as a cookie or as
Authorization: GoogleLogin auth=sessionid  header.

>
> I think what you need to do is:
> - client makes a request
> - server says "you are not authenticated, here is a 401"
> - client provides credentials
> - server checks credentials, creates token, saves it to session, and says to client: 
"OK, eat this token".  The client saves it
> - client makes a new request and sends the token (via HTTP request header or 
via query string param)
> - server takes the token and compares it to the one stored in the current 
session [1]
> - if the tokens match, the server responds with the data, else goto line with 
401 above
>

This is the common life cycle of a client - javaserver as we both
know. But the client does not send back the sessionid if no cookies
are supported. E.g. request.getSession(false) returns null. I tired
this with the google data client api using the GoogleService which is
a subclass of Serivce. Service is a base class to customize
authorization and extensions. So this is the actual problem. :/
I could provide a custom impl. which supports session id and cookies...

simon
>
> [1] In order for your server (Jetty or Tomcat or whatever) to be able to 
associate a client with a session, the client must send back the session Id from 
the first request.  This is normal Java webapp behaviour.  The client will send it 
either as a cookie via HTTP headers, or via jsessionid (aka URL rewriting... not 
to be mixed with mod_rewrite).  Regardless of the method, the server 
(Jetty/Tomcat) will know how to associate the request with an existing insntance 
of HttpSession, and that's that you'll get from request.getSession().
>
> Otis
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Simon Willnauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: java-dev@lucene.apache.org; Otis Gospodnetic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 4:53:21 PM
> Subject: Re: GData - Milestone 2
>
> On 6/16/06, Otis Gospodnetic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hi Simon,
> >
> > I have a bit of experience with REST and authentication from my work on 
http://simpy.com .
> > If you look at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/simpy-dev/messages you will 
see several recent messages about different authentication options that may give you 
some food for thought.
>
> --> good stuff, thanks for the link!
> >
> > As for GData auth:
> > - GData oversion page describes the auth with "send a cookie/token, save in 
server-side, and then expect it from the client on subsequent requests" (paraphrased).  
That sounds fine to me.  I don't think you need to worry about the client IP, as long as your 
cookie/token is long and random enough (please correct me if I'm wrong about this), although 
you might want to add the IP to the string you base your MD5 checksum on.
> > If you store the token in the session, it will automatically get the TTL of 
the HttpSession.
>
> I already tried the HttpSession approach. Using the http session would
> solve all my problems. The Session can be replicated as the most
> containers support session repl. But how do i get the session id from
> the client. The client sends a request parameter name: Auth value:
> sessionid but the container does not recognize the session in this
> case. As far as I know does the session parameter name has to be
> "jsessionid" and I only get the session via the HttpServletRequest.
> Any Idea about this?
>
> simon
> >
> > - Running GData server in a cluster might require session replication.  It 
sounds like a big bite for SoC, but ... I never used WADI, but I _think_ that might 
be easiest way to get session replication going: 
http://incubator.apache.org/projects/wadi.html
> > On the other hand, WADI might be an overkill if all you want is to share 
this token.  If that's all you need, perhaphs, is JavaSpaces (e.g. 
http://www.dancres.org/blitz/ ).
> >
> > Otis
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: Simon Willnauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: java-dev@lucene.apache.org
> > Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 12:48:59 PM
> > Subject: GData - Milestone 2
> >
> > Hello everyone,
> >
> > it was quiet the last week, well I had a bad cold so Milestone 2
> > starts a bit late...
> > Milestone 2 is about client authentication. GData client auth is also
> > defined (well kind of) in the gdata protocol reference on
> > code.google.com. The client is supposed to support either a cookie
> > base auth or just an auth token send back as an post response. The
> > client authenticates itself via a post request to the servers auth
> > interface sending following parameters:
> >
> > [EMAIL 
PROTECTED]&Passwd=north23AZ&service=servicename&source=Gulp-CalGulp-1.05
> >
> > the email represents the account name which is associated with a
> > service provided by the server. Each server can provides m services
> > with n feeds. Each feed belongs to one account.
> > As it is quiet hard to figure out whether a client does support plain
> > token or cookie auth I will send both back to the client. after the
> > client has received the auth token or cookie it will call some
> > restricted resource on the server sending either the cookie or the
> > auth token. The cookie contains  only the auth token.
> > So these are facts, I will generate a MD5 key as the auth token using
> > the email, password and a timestamp or something similar and save it
> > on the server in a kind of a session storage. the session storage will
> > hold the sessions for a certain time and will invalidate it if it is
> > timed out. Additionally i will save  the client ip (at least the first
> > 32 bits) within the session and check it on     subsequent  requests. So
> > this is fine as long as the server is a stand alone server. What
> > happens if there is a load balancer and a server farm with more than
> > one gdata server instances?!
> > I could define all gdata servers in the cluster / farm in each config
> > file and if a session is created or modified the current server sends
> > a notice to all other servers to replicate the session. (Session is
> > not the HTTPSession). But this could be quiet a lot of work so
> > synchronize all hosts and register / unregister them if the crash...
> > I guess this should be done in a later state of development, I just
> > have 2 month left... So this might be a task for development after the
> > SoC program has finished.
> >
> > Any Ideas about that?
> >
> > yours simon
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