Sweet!

I was wondering (but didn't dig) whether we could extend LuceneTestCase to expose a getRandom() method (which'd record the seed), and then override invocation of a test (which I'm not sure JUnit allows you to do) to add a try/finally that prints out the seeds.

Though: I thought JUnit invokes tests in the sequential order as they are defined in your class? (I'm not sure about this... it's just what seems to be the case). And even if it is the case, it's not clear that's guaranteed as part of JUnit's "contract". If it isn't, we could have getRandom take a String name and then on exception we print out the full name -> seed for all getRandom calls for that test?

I'd like to to find a simple common API, if we can, so that we can fix all tests that use Random to use it... though really the mods you had to make are fairly minimal, so we could simply adopt that per test too.

Mike

Uwe Schindler wrote:

Hi,

: By allowing Random to randomly seed itself, we effectively test a
much
: much larger space, ie every time we all run the test, it's
different.  We can
: potentially cast a much larger net than a fixed seed.

i guess i'm just in favor of less randomness and more iterations.

: Fixing the bug is the "easy" part; discovering a bug is present is
where
: we need all the help we can get ;)

yes, but knowing a bug is there w/o having any idea what it is or
how to
trigger it can be very frustrating.

I agree, it's frustrating.  But I'd prefer to know the bug is there
and then
writhe in frustration at not being able to reproduce it very easily,
then let
the bug go undetected.  I guess ignorance is not bliss, for me ;)

it would be enough for tests to pick a random number, log it, and
then use
it as the seed ... that way if you get a failure you at least know
what
seed was used and you can then hardcode it temporarily to reproduce/
debug

+1!  I like this approach.  We could record the seed up front, and
then in
 a try/finally if the test failed, print the seed.

I implemented this for TestTrieRangeQuery (see patch). I catch
java.lang.Error and print the random seed recorded before (The seed is
generated by a static Random instance for each test method in separate: Because you cannot predict the order of tests, each test method should have its own Random instance). As both the Java 1.4 AssertionError and the jUnit
AssertionFailedError are subclasses of Error, they can be catched and
rethrown easily.

Uwe
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