Well, call me old-fashiond, but I am developing software under Unix (mostly linux in the last 5 years) since a long time. I always used just emacs and make and it worked fine and I never had any problems. Now with cygwin and emacs running on windows I even can copy the whole source tree to an windows box and all works as usual (beside of the known windows - problems so I do this only sometimes on my notebook). I tried some IDEs, they where nice, but I think only using simple software you can be sure that you can use (ore even read) your sources in some years. I never have to think about different Versions of IDEs. Just read the source from the backup and type make! You will always be able to find a text editor, make and (I hope) javac. Peter -- Dipl.-Ing. Peter Kutschera ARCS/ITT tel: +43 (0) 50550 ???? -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- Von: Glenn Holmer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Gesendet: Donnerstag, 28. Juni 2001 02:51 An: java-linux Betreff: Linux Java IDEs It is with a heavy heart that I post this... IBM has just announced VisualAge Java 4.0 with availability in late July, and guess what? There is still no Linux version! Wow, I'm so surprised! All we *still* have is the incomplete and known-to-be-buggy 3.02 that uses JDK 1.1 with Swing 1.0 (gag me with a spoon...) But I'm not posting to whine about that; rather I want to ask you guys which IDE our company should use instead, since IBM is obviously not interested in license revenue from shops that use Linux. We are evaluating JBuilder and Forte/NetBeans. My impression of JBuilder is that it's somehow... I don't know, *quirky*. It may seem strange for a programmer to rely on gut feeling when evaluating an IDE, but something about that product just makes my skin crawl. Forte looks promising, but when trying it, I encountered the most spectacular windowing bugs I have ever seen. For example, when switching to a different desktop and back again under KDE, the source editor started to drift... and the window actually slid right off the desktop, never to be seen or heard from again. It would actually have been quite comical if our company hadn't already invested thousands in VisualAge... but that's another story. So I downloaded NetBeans 3.2. I had seen NetBeans before Sun bought them out, back in the JDK 1.1 days, and it was just unusably slow. Now, with faster JVMs and faster machines, it's definitely worth a look. I haven't gotten very far with it yet, but what advice can you guys offer? What IDEs should shops with Linux coders consider? Let me give some background first: our two top Java programmers (oh, is that me?) are total penguinistas; apart from the pride issue, it would result in an unacceptable loss of productivity for either of us to switch operating systems (in fact, I just turned down a machine upgrade because it would be too disruptive). This despite the fact that over the past few years we have put out tens of thousands of lines of Java using only a text editor (jEdit RULEZ!). However, we are trying to train some BASIC and RPG programmers to use Java in the hope that we can all just get along and maybe even share some code, and they run W******. So the criteria are that the IDE has to be relatively easy to learn (yes I know, then why were we considering VisualAge in the first place) and yet full-featured enough to offer help to these poor lost RPG souls in their quest to write PC applications that access data on our AS/400s. Oh, yeah, and it has to be available on both W****** and Linux. What should we do? P.S. Don't get me wrong, I have spent the last couple months intensively studying VisualAge (including taking IBM course OB75), and got to the point of infatuation, even obsession with VisualAge before realizing that IBM was going to "OS/2" the Linux version. In an ideal world, that is the choice we would have made, but we can't wait any longer. It was a major tussle to convince these new Java programmers that they should learn by hand-coding and only then pick up an IDE; we definitely can't wait any longer to put IDEs on their desktops. -- ========================================================== Glenn Holmer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) ---------------------------------------------------------- You can now flame me, I am full of love, and will ignore any insults, because that is how good my Gnus filter is. ---------------------------------------------------------- -Miguel deIcaza ========================================================== ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
