Alguns links e assuntos que tem sido discutidos no grupo de padroniza��o
do Java.
http://www.gamelan.com/journal/techfocus
http://cgi.zdnet.com/slink?24396:2486088
http://www.forbes.com/forbes/00/0221/6504052a.htm
http://www.internetwk.com/story/INW20000229S0006
Desculpem o tamanho do e-mail, mas pode ser interessante para aqueles
interessados neste assunto.
[]'s e mais uma vez, desculpe se n�o for de interesse geral da lista!
Handerson Ferreira Gomes
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This story Bitter
Brew(http://www.forbes.com/forbes/00/0221/6504052a.htm),
has been sent to you by Thomas Plum ( [EMAIL PROTECTED]).
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This story was published by Forbes Magazine http://www.forbes.com
 Next  TE PROJECT TOOK TWO YEARS OF
code-crunching by
hundreds
of programmers from dozens of companies. They contributed to an "open
source" love-in to enhance Java, the Web-wise programming language
pushed
by Sun Microsystems.
In December Sun unveiled the fruits of this collaborative labor, a
group
of 80 miniprograms for big corporate servers. There was just one catch:
Though the other guys helped write the code, Sun is charging them a
royalty to use it.
Some of Sun's flabbergasted allies aren't buying it. The move has
created
a bitter rift with Sun's biggest partner in Java--IBM, which even Sun
admits worked on a good 80% of the new release. IBM refuses to pay fees
to
Sun, and smaller players are balking, too.
The squabble threatens to rupture the already fractious Java alliance.
IBM and others could start touting a version of Java different from the
one Sun pushes. The flap also lays bare a problem with the "open source"
movement that drives Linux and other efforts: Eventually the profit
motive
takes over, and then high-tech shops have a hard time playing nice.
Sun invented Java as a way to crack the Windows monopoly held by
Microsoft. Software written in Java can run on most any brand of
hardware
without having to be designed to run Windows. Sun released the technical
specifications for rivals to use and revise, but it controls the
standard--and the use of the Java name.
That's where the money comes in. The new Java package is Java 2
Enterprise Edition (or J2EE to the acronym-happy). If a firm develops
software using this "extension," it must pass Sun's compatibility
tests--and pay Sun 3% of sales to use the J2EE seal. Sun says the fee
defrays the costs of the Java franchise.
Sun has pushed J2EE for four months, but so far only five of the 200
Java
licensees have signed up. IBM, conspicuously, hasn't. "We'll support the
J2EEextensions--but we won't use the J2EEbrand," says Rodney Smith of
IBM's Java group.
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From: "Greg Colvin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
I think there are some mistatements below, although it still does
underscore the need for a real Java standard, and a real standards
process.
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> This story was published by Forbes Magazine http://www.forbes.com
>
>  Next  TE PROJECT TOOK TWO YEARS OF code-crunching by hundreds
> of programmers from dozens of companies. They contributed to an "open
> source" love-in to enhance Java, the Web-wise programming language pushed
> by Sun Microsystems.
>
> In December Sun unveiled the fruits of this collaborative labor, a group
> of 80 miniprograms for big corporate servers. There was just one catch:
> Though the other guys helped write the code, Sun is charging them a
> royalty to use it.
As it says below, the royalty is just for the use of the J2EE brand,
not the code.
> Some of Sun's flabbergasted allies aren't buying it. The move has created
> a bitter rift with Sun's biggest partner in Java--IBM, which even Sun
> admits worked on a good 80% of the new release. IBM refuses to pay fees to
> Sun, and smaller players are balking, too.
>
> The squabble threatens to rupture the already fractious Java alliance.
> IBM and others could start touting a version of Java different from the
> one Sun pushes. The flap also lays bare a problem with the "open source"
> movement that drives Linux and other efforts: Eventually the profit motive
> takes over, and then high-tech shops have a hard time playing nice.
Of course Java never was "open source", by any reasonable meaning of the
term, or there would be no question of royalties. Nothing like this is
happening in the Linux community.
> Sun invented Java as a way to crack the Windows monopoly held by
> Microsoft. Software written in Java can run on most any brand of hardware
> without having to be designed to run Windows. Sun released the technical
> specifications for rivals to use and revise, but it controls the
> standard--and the use of the Java name.
>
> That's where the money comes in. The new Java package is Java 2
> Enterprise Edition (or J2EE to the acronym-happy). If a firm develops
> software using this "extension," it must pass Sun's compatibility
> tests--and pay Sun 3% of sales to use the J2EE seal. Sun says the fee
> defrays the costs of the Java franchise.
>
> Sun has pushed J2EE for four months, but so far only five of the 200 Java
> licensees have signed up. IBM, conspicuously, hasn't. "We'll support the
> J2EEextensions--but we won't use the J2EEbrand," says Rodney Smith of
> IBM's Java group.
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From: "Gufford, Eric (PME)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
This is what I've been saying for the past couple of years. The only
reason
Sun wanted to standardize Java was to get the 'Good Housekeeping seal of
approval' from ISO for marketing and political reasons. All they
expected
from us was a rubber stamp. They have pretty much said so in various
inflammatory remarks they've made during the PAS debacle. And again
during
the ECMA tribulations.
Time to market. It's the only reason Sun has to steadfastly hold on to
Java
regardless of cost. They've finally shown their true colors. The
development
and, it seems, the business communities have finally woken up and see
Sun in
true light.
So much for their 'open community' process. If anything, this just
reaffirms
the need for us to do an independent Java standard that excludes Sun.
If not us, who? If not now, when?
So, what are we waiting for?
Eric Gufford, President
TRIAD Systems Inc.
732-257-1966 (terrestrial)
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