I have never understood why some people think that some language is
"offensive" but other language is not.  For example it is apparently ok to
use the word "piss" in your signature (Mona), but Justin can't say F*** .  I
think you are treading a thin subjective moral line here.

In any event, I don't want some automated censor-bot to tell me what I can
read and what I can't read.  I generally find Justin's language to be blunt
and generally right on the mark.  There were a lot of people who were ticked
off by that big e-mail and he certainly spoke for me when he made that
statement.

Besides, without Justin, standing up to that Flavin lunatic would fall to
less eloquent people and that would be a tragedy.

Dave Yazel
http://www.cosm-game.com



-----Original Message-----
From: Mona Wong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 2:53 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [JAVA3D] need a language filter along with a size filter


Hi Justin and others:

> As for the specifics of my post, well that's just me.

        Justin, you and I have already exchanged private emails about the
profanity you used in one of your email postings to the list.  You say
that's
just you; fine, I have no problem with you being you.  I do not, however,
feel
that profanity is appropriate in a public email list ... whether it is from
you
or anyone else.  You can choose to continue your behavior in which case I'll
have to ask for you to be removed from the list.  I think you are a
valueable
contribution to this list, I truly do, so I would like to ask you (and
everyone
else) to not express profanity on this list.  If you are angry at someone
and
feel you must use profanity, then email the person privately and not direct
your
anger at everyone on this list.

> I'm not about sucking up to people and if there is something wrong
> I'll say something about it.

        I'm not asking you to suck up to anyone and I would highly encourage
you
and others to say something when you feel something is wrong.  That is what
I am
doing right now also.

> I don't care if it offends some people.

         That there is a fine line between saying what you feel is right and
not
worrying about offending people and knowing that you will offend people and
not
care and saying it anyway.

         If you really mean what you are saying, then you might learn
someday,
that if people take offense to your message, your message will not come
across
and be effective or worse, it will have a negative affect and achieve quite
the
opposite of what you want.  You might also learn one day, that there are
more
than one way to get your message across.

         Justin, I see you as someone who enjoys being a leader on this list
and
I certainly appreciate your leadership on this list.  If you want your
communication to be effective, you must be responsible for how others will
take
your message.

Cheers,

Mona

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Mona Wong
National Center for Microscopy and Imaging Research
University of California, San Diego
http://ncmir.ucsd.edu/

"The truth shall set you free, but first it will piss you off"
                                A Landmark instructor
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