Looking at the statistics for hits on our website last year if I were to code to just applet tags (not using HTMLConverter) FORTY percent of my visitors would NOT be able to view our Java 2 applets.
I agree that "HTMLConverter" is a horrible design and it would be a huge improvement if we could just use applet tags. If someone from Sun that fully understands applets and all browsers could speak up and fully explain this it would be a major contribution to the Java 3D community that NEEDS to use Java 2 VMs. - John Wright Starfire Research Dutchie Programmer wrote: > > Hi, > > Sorry I don't have any experience with Netscape really. Are you saying > that the Plugin works for Netscape 6 but doesn't work at all with any > version of Netscape below this? > > I think the reason they tried using just the applet tag was the > HTMLConverter was totally ridiculous in complexity and I'm not sure if > anyone could actually use it. The whole applet issue has been greatly > simplified for the 'majority' of platforms. > > Not that it helps for Netscape 4.7. I am very interested in finding a > solution for complete platform independence too. Has anyone else got any > comments or suggestions. > > David Grace. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Discussion list for Java 3D API > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of John Wright > Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 10:29 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [JAVA3D] question on feasibility of Java3D applet on XP > > But if you want to reach a wide audience (isn't Java largely about > "platform independence") then you must account for all the users using > Netscape 4.7x which I do not believe the applet tag will invoke the Java > Plug-in. (Gee, it'd be nice if Sun could chime in and explain all this > to us). > > - John Wright > Starfire Research > > Dutchie Programmer wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > > > As far as I can tell the Java Plugin totally replaces any JVM that > > currently exists in IE. Therefore by just using the <applet> tag the > > Java Plugin will be used. This works on Win98, 2000 Pro and XP. I'm > > pretty sure this is true for JRE/JDK 1.3 (at some point in time, > 1.3.1+ > > maybe) and 1.4. > > > > As far as I can tell this totally replaces the need for the > > HTMLConverter. > > > > You can tell is the SUN JRE is being used because as the applet is > being > > loaded a JProgressBar shows the downloading of classes/jars, which > > doesn't happen with the Microsoft JVM. > > > > I don't know exactly what Sun intended the process to be to detect > > whether the Sun Plugin is installed, but I would probably detect Java > > using Javascript and/or use a Java 1.1 compliant applet that queries > > itself as to what version of Java is being used and then take the > > appropriate action to install the Sun JRE or run your applet. > > > > For any serious applet or any applet that is going to have a long > > development I would definitely suggest using webstart. It gives you > > total control over what JRE is to be used, what standard extensions > will > > be used, what native libraries will be used, what permissions if any > the > > applet will need, plus many more features. And webstart has been > > included in the Sun JRE since 1.2.? and can be installed separately > for > > other versions. > > > > Please correct any mistakes I may have made. > > > > Hope this helps, > > Dave. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Discussion list for Java 3D API > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Lee Zhou > > Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 8:13 AM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: [JAVA3D] question on feasibility of Java3D applet on XP > > > > I have tried using HTMLConverter from Sun Microsystem's page, however, > > I never made my Swing applet working. But I hard coded the Object > tags > > in the applet inside my JSP, it worked perfect. Plug-in takes a > while, > > later on the applet runs fast enough. > > > > Seems to me we have to plug-in the whole JVM on IE running on XP. > > I don't know if the jit.dll under \\WINNT\system32 in Windows2000 is > the > > JVM > > used by IE or not. If it is, will the one plugged into XP be the > > similar > > location? > > > > Lee > > > > At 02:48 PM 2/28/2002 -0600, you wrote: > > >But if you as a provider of a webpage need to run a Java 2 applet and > > >you don't use the HTMLConverter then the client's browser would have > no > > >way to know if it has the correct VM or not. Perhaps the 1.4 > "Plugin" > > >can tweak IE and Netscape 6 such that a Java 2 VM is ALWAYS run > > >(actually I believe Netscape 6 only uses Java 2), but at least with > > >Netscape 4.7 it runs Java 1.1 if you use an applet tag. Using the > > >HTMLConverter is what tells the browser to use Java 2 (1.2,1.3,1.4). > > > > > >Am I incorrect? Has something changed? > > > > > >- John Wright > > >Starfire Research > > > > > >Jacob Marner wrote: > > > > > > > > The HTML Converter isn't needed anymore. If you use the latest > > > > versions of the Sun Java plug-in (1.4, possibly also 1.3) that > > plug-in > > > > is always used instead of the built-in browser Java (unless you > > disable > > > > the plug-in in the control panel of course). This is how it works > > for > > > > me anyway. > > > > > > > > Jacob Marner > > > > > > > > > Lee, > > > > > > > > > > My understanding is that you use the HTMLConverter to make your > > webpage > > > > > call for Sun's Plug-in which then runs Sun's VM, hence allowing > > Java > > > > > Applets to run on the client's machine (after of course they > > download > > > > > and install the JRE). > > > > > > > > > > - John Wright > > > > > Starfire Research > > > > > > > > > > Lee Zhou wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > -Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe this question has been asked before. But I missed the > > > answer. Could > > > > > > someone > > > > > > give me an answer on feasibility of running Java applet, 2D or > > 3D, > > > in IE of > > > > > > XP platform? > > > > > > > > > > > > Because XP does not include a JVM, it raises a concern on > > running > > > Java3D > > > > > > applet on IE browser on XP platform. > > > > > > How does Sun Microsystem solve this problem? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > > > Lee > > > > > > Java developer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ======================================================================== > > === > > > > > > To unsubscribe, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and > include > > in > > > the body > > > > > > of the message "signoff JAVA3D-INTEREST". 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