Hey folks! sorry... I dind´t read the reference very well.... shininess has a valid range of 1.0 to 128 and not from 0.0 to 1.0 i was thinking it was the same value range like for the vrml specification has... michy ;-) ˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙ To subscribe/unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Java 3D Home Page: http://java.sun.com/products/java-media/3D/