On 10/12/09 8:10 PM, Reinier Zwitserloot wrote:
> I always thought Service-Oriented-Architecture was a a devteam take-a-
> break bullshit word.
>
> You know, something you tell the brass so they get off your back for a
> month or two, giving the team time to spend some much needed time in
> feature-freeze, cleaning up stuff, refactoring code to be more
> maintainable for the future, and turning hacked together workarounds
> into proper fixes. Once you're done, you tell management you have the
> exact same thing you had before, except it's now all smoother and more
> maintainable (true), and that it is because "it now has more
> SOA" (which is false, as SOA is meaningless blather).
>    

I think a distinction needs to be made between well 
modularized/refactored code that is architected to provide services; vs. 
"SOA".  I interpret "SOA" these days as an architecture that uses things 
like BPEL and workflow engines to wire various service endpoints 
together.  I'd say the former is what you are describing, and the latter 
is what the tool support was providing.

> On a total sidenote, Oracle has not acquired sun yet. The notion that
> netbeans is out to get you to move towards for-pay oracle products
> now, well short than a year after a sale to oracle was likely, strikes
> me as extremely paranoid behaviour that is obviously not true. The
> fact that some (ex-)netbeans developers and many sun engineers read
> these forums only adds to the extreme rudeness of this kind of
> paranoid rambling. Please consider that when you next post your
> delusions.
>
>    

While I agree one should be considerate when posting to public forums, I 
can sympathize with the OP.  It's tough when you build a reliance on a 
particular feature, and have that feature pulled on you without advance 
notice.  An alternative approach could be for Sun to continue to offer 
the feature in a for-pay model, so users who depend on it can continue 
to use it - and finance it's development in the process.  Although I 
suppose Sun would be "hanged" for using bait-and-switch tactics in that 
case...

Brian

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