Don't forget samsung bada mobile os also... and openmoko. Who really knows where mobile goes?
/derek (who still cases for javame; midp 3 anyone? Motorola?) On 1/23/10, phil.swen...@gmail.com <phil.swen...@gmail.com> wrote: > couple thoughts. It seems to me that the mobile market will probably > split between 2 camps: iPhone OS and Android. I know Nokia is > bigger, but they have a fragmented/incoherent story and their platform > just doesn't cut it in comparison. Windows Mobile will probably die > (look at the trend). Palm's Web OS is failing so far. > > And Apple clearly won't support Java FX Mobile. Google hasn't done a > thing with JavaFX. So I don't think it will happen. That's my > prediction, hopefully I'm wrong and Google will embrace it. > > On Jan 15, 4:28 am, Karsten Silz <karsten.s...@gmail.com> wrote: >> Hi, >> >> In February last year, Sun released JavaFX Mobile, running on top of >> JavaME (though with just one UI component which was rectified in the >> later release at JavaOne, I believe). At that time, SonyEriccson and >> LG were mentioned as device partners (and they still are considered >> that:http://javafx.com/partners/details/device_manufacturers.jsp). I >> wrote back then that I was disappointed that no phones were >> announced. Tor responded in an episode that Sun can't announce >> phones, the vendors have to. >> >> But where are the phones? I search both manufacturers web sites for >> "JavaFX" but couldn't find anything. To the best of my knowledge, >> there's no JavaFX Mobile phone out there - or is it? >> >> Regardless, the competition doesn't sleep: >> >> - Nokia teamed up with Adobe last February to sponsor Flash apps with >> a 10 Mio. fund (http://www.linuxpromagazine.com/Online/News/Adobe-and- >> Nokia-Provide-10-Million-Fund-for-Mobile-Flash-Development). Still >> the biggest mobile phone vendor in the world, Nokia still has mobile >> clout. >> >> - Adobe announced in October that they'll bring the full Flash Player >> 10.1 to Android, Palm Pre, Windows Mobile, Blackberry and even >> Symbian, including support for hardware video acceleration and touch / >> acceleration support on some platforms (like Android or Windows 7) in >> 2010 (http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2009/10/flash-101-coming-to- >> just-about-every-platform-but-iphone.ars). Even the iPhone will get >> some Flash support with the upcoming Flash CS 5 cross-compiling into >> native iPhone apps (http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashcs5/ >> appsfor_iphone/). >> >> - RIM announced in November that Adobe authoring tools will be >> enhanced for Blackberry development (http://www.blackberrycool.com/ >> 2009/11/09/rim-announce-adobe-flash-support-coming-to-blackberry/). >> >> - From the "they are still around?" department: AT&T wants to use >> JavaME competitor BREW to bring apps to "feature phones" (non- >> smartphones); >> seehttp://www.appleinsider.com/articles/10/01/06/att_to_release_android_.... >> >> - Microsoft hasn't made their mobile move, yet - maybe they do at the >> next Mix conference. >> >> The mobile developer focus and buzz clearly is on the iPhone and other >> smartphones (like Android). So that "mythical" installed base of >> billions of JavaME-capable phones that could theoretically run JavaFX >> Mobile to me isn't that much of an advantage since it'll always be >> hard to develop for thousands of different phone models with different >> screen sizes, computing power and input mechanisms, running on top of >> often buggy JavaME stacks. And the Java store for mobile apps isn't >> even in public beta yet, with the desktop Java store still in beta, >> and only for the US in that matter. Developers like the powerful and >> rather homogeneous iPhone and Android platforms (Blackberry is more of >> a mess, I hear, and Windows Mobile is harder still; Symbian is just a >> giantic hairball). >> >> The layoffs at Sun and the uncertainty around the Oracle take-over >> probably haven't helped matters, either (though Adobe went through two >> 10% layoffs at the end of 2008 and 2009, too). >> >> If I was Sun then I would build JavaFX Mobile as a stack on top of >> smartphone OS, similar to Flash Player 10.1, and forget about these >> JavaME phones - developers for the most part don't care about them. >> This would be the second re-birth of JavaFX Mobile (it started out in >> 2007 as a complete mobile OS, born out of the assets of SavaJe - >> seehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SavaJe). > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "The Java Posse" group. > To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. > > -- Sent from my mobile device -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. 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