Thanks for your reply.Interesting thoughts. Not necessary. I believe that open source and proprietary languages/platforms/softwares will coexist for long time. ---------- Yes I agree with you my friend. I said things will become messy and that integration between platforms/languages will be very important aspects to look at. I am just worried that equillibrium (of use & thus dependencies of applications)might get disturbed due to such "Apple vs Android" scenarios. ------------ Just look at MS .Net as an example. ------ .Net is a copycat platform-no 0ffense to its use though.
Besides, the android model is not perfect neither, I am sure many phone manufacturer choose android mainly because it is the only option out there to compete IPhone. ------------ True.No one can stop innovation. Thus I asserted the importance of open-source projects to control monopolistic persuits of companies such as Microsoft and Oracle. A company is a company-it has to make profits. Thus, OSS serves our need by giving the balance of influence that ensures cross- compatibility. Excellent reply Oscar. I do like maths.Maybe I can help you in finishing your project.I don't have much time for coding but everything else (including bug-fixing & R&D ) is fine with me. If you want,send me an email with the details and I will try my best to help. Regards, Jitesh Dundas On 7/4/10, Oscar Hsieh <zen...@gmail.com> wrote: > Not necessary. I believe that open source and proprietary > languages/platforms/softwares will coexist for long time. > Just look at MS .Net as an example. Besides, the android model is not > perfect neither, I am sure many phone manufacturer > choose android mainly because it is the only option out there to compete > IPhone. > > The UI builder for Android 1.5 was pretty bad if I remember correctly. It > was easier to code UI in xml that tells you how bad it was ... > at least for me. I also hate how Android generates class that maps to your > UI component. Personally I think if there is a > need to auto-generate code, at least hide it from me. Project Lombok is a > great example of how code generation should be done. > > I am working on a entry level math educational software at my spare time, I > am about 1/3 of where I want it to be. > It might never see sun light but at minimum I hope it will help enrich my > resume :) > > Thanks > > On Sun, Jul 4, 2010 at 2:16 AM, jitesh dundas <jbdun...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Well,that settles it. You cannot deny that more companies will do what >> apple is doing. >> I think things will become messy in future ,with top level >> architecture & third party integration becoming a need of the hour. >> >> So what kind of programs are you writing oscar.Eclipse has a gui >> plugin for this sort of work.Don't they? >> >> If possible,do share your idea with us.Maybe we could help. >> >> Regards, >> jd >> >> On 7/4/10, Oscar Hsieh <zen...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > Calm down Robert, I did not say I dont like your post. All I was saying >> is >> > to change subject line to reflect the topic. >> > >> > I agree that Apple's tight grip can be an issue for a company whose life >> > relies on their products, but then the opportunity >> > of that market cannot be ignored too. People often forget IOS is not >> just >> > about IPhone, but also millions of IPod Touch out there too. >> > >> > Anyway, I am coding on iphone platform mainly because its the first and >> its >> > much easier to build nice looking UI there. I tried android a while ago >> > (1.5) >> > and its really not fun to build UI on eclipse. I understand android is >> 2.2 >> > now so I might revisit it when I have time. >> > >> > Thanks for your response. >> > >> > >> > On Sun, Jul 4, 2010 at 12:01 AM, Robert Casto <casto.rob...@gmail.com >> >wrote: >> > >> >> If you don't want to read the post, then don't. No one is forcing you. >> >> I >> >> responded to someone else with an experience I'm going through. That >> >> doesn't >> >> mean it is going to be the same for everyone. It could be our ad >> provider, >> >> it could be our application category, or a number of other things. >> >> >> >> All I'm saying is that Apple is making it very hard for developers to >> make >> >> a business of their applications with all these rule changes. They want >> to >> >> do just iAds. Fine. But the way they did it I think was inconsiderate. >> My >> >> company is also on a number of other phone platforms so iPhone is not >> the >> >> only game. That is an advantage but now we are not allowed to merge our >> >> development efforts. We have to use their tools, their ads, their >> >> language, >> >> there ??? It is very hard to create a business with that much >> >> uncertainty. >> >> How will you know you can make money? Is it worth your time or will >> >> they >> >> make some unilateral decision that will put you immediately out of >> >> business >> >> as they already have to other companies. >> >> >> >> This is not a debate about technology. It is about the market and being >> >> able to build a business around it. I don't see how you can know deal >> with >> >> that kind of uncertainty. The options are limited and they keep >> tightening >> >> the noose. At some point developers are going to give up because the >> risk >> >> is >> >> too high for the potential reward. >> >> >> >> Best of luck with your new program and if you make an Android version, >> >> please tell us about it. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sat, Jul 3, 2010 at 11:39 PM, Oscar Hsieh <zen...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >>> Since your reply has nothing to do with the email you are replying to >> .. >> >>> I >> >>> think it is fair to change the subject line. >> >>> >> >>> Anyway .. I dont like to get involved too much into IPhone vs Android >> >>> debate .. to me alot of them are just different perspective to the >> >>> markets >> >>> and competition is always good. >> >>> >> >>> Now regarding to your comments about Advertisement on IPhone, I >> >>> thought >> >>> IAds is there to help developers to include ads and share revenues, so >> >>> what >> >>> are you saying >> >>> about apple not allowing advertisement on their apps? Besides, I >> >>> still >> >>> see free IOS apps on my i-device having ads on them (some of them use >> ads >> >>> from adMob). Is there new policy change from Apple that I am not >> >>> aware >> >>> of? >> >>> >> >>> I am asking because I am starting to work on an iphone app ... please >> >>> dont >> >>> turn this into another IPhone VS android fight. >> >>> >> >>> Thanks >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On Sat, Jul 3, 2010 at 12:13 PM, Robert Casto >> >>> <casto.rob...@gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> Even my company has been hurt by the changes Apple has made. We make >> >>>> revenue through advertising and the changes have caused a lot of >> >>>> companies >> >>>> and developers to loose their revenue stream. We are not abandoning >> the >> >>>> iPhone, but we are evaluating things closely to see if we are going >> >>>> to >> >>>> make >> >>>> money there. The story on Android is very different and I see >> >>>> revenues >> >>>> growing there for almost everyone. Many people are going to use >> Android >> >>>> as >> >>>> their main Internet device, especially younger people. Apple got the >> >>>> ball >> >>>> rolling, but now they seem to be dismantling the very thing they have >> >>>> built. >> >>>> Stopping companies from being able to advertise robs them of a >> >>>> primary >> >>>> source of income. It is very difficult to have enough revenue on >> >>>> sales >> >>>> alone. Only so many people are willing to pay for software now-a-days >> so >> >>>> you >> >>>> need advertising to be able to support development, improvement, and >> >>>> maintenance. >> >>>> >> >>>> On Sat, Jul 3, 2010 at 10:59 AM, Marcelo Fukushima >> >>>> <takesh...@gmail.com>wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>>> Yes its legal as far as the android market is concerned - its in the >> >>>>> FAQ >> >>>>> >> >>>>> On Jul 3, 2010 5:15 AM, "Fabrizio Giudici" < >> >>>>> fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it> wrote: >> >>>>> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> >>>>> > Hash: SHA1 >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > I'm thinking of publishing my app to SlideME and a couple of >> further >> >>>>> > indipendent stores, in addition to the Android Market. Is it a >> legal >> >>>>> > thing? I suppose I could find myself the answer by reading all the >> >>>>> > legalese stuff at Android, but legalese is always full of >> obscurities >> >>>>> > and I prefer to have some trusted feedback here... 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