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On 8/1/10 23:07 , Mario Fusco wrote:
> I must admit I don't like the employer you are impersonating, but
> in the same way I must say it is sadly similar to some situations
> I experienced during my working life in Italy. I wonder if the
> same happens with the same frequency in other possibly more
> technology savvy places like USA or northern Europe.
I'd be curious too. My opinion is that the only advantage in many
places are a higher salary than Italy (also because of lower taxes),
but the quality scenario is similar. I only have a very limited
experience, so I'd like to hear from others.

>
> In the end, despite I believe your analysis is more realistic than
> pessimistic, I also think that with a little effort (and
> practically with no cost) is possible to make your working life
> more stimulant and interesting. Innovation is not a luxury. And
> having smart people working in an environment able to innovate is a
> win-win situation for both the employer and the employees. Do you
> think it is so difficult to "sell" my analysis to an averagely wise
> manager/employer?
Difficult, it's difficult (I mean, I find it difficult even to have
the testing culture accepted, which is a simpler issue); but difficult
doesn't mean impossible. In my opinion, it's a thing that should be
exercised by playing the devil's advocate a lot.

PS To complete the scenario, back to simplicity vs powerfulness, for a
new language to be successful I think the same "magic" that made the
Java success should repeat. Now, I'd like to recall that at the time
it was C++ vs Java, and that Java 1.0 was everything but more powerful
than C++; both on the client and on the server. It was simpler, a lot
simpler, and this was relevant. So, perhaps we could start a new
thread: is it possible to trim Scala? I mean, are there features of
the language that can be dropped, thus reducing complexity, still
keeping a 'core' of advantages?

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Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect, Project Manager
Tidalwave s.a.s. - "We make Java work. Everywhere."
java.net/blog/fabriziogiudici - www.tidalwave.it/people
fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it
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