What about a little patience to see the keynote of JavaOne ? :-) On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 13:10, Kevin Wright <[email protected]>wrote:
> Anyone for LLVM + VMKit? :P > > > On 31 August 2010 11:53, Jan Goyvaerts <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I'm afraid the opensource hardcore Java developers won't have an easy time >> to get rid of oracle: >> >> * JavaFX, Scala or anything requiring the JVM is out - unless you're >> running something non-oracle like OpenJDK. >> * Your IDE is Eclipse or Intellij. Because jDeveloper and Netbeans is >> Oracle's now. >> * Your database is not MySQL anymore either. >> * Your office package is not OpenOffice anymore. >> * Your CI is not Hudson anymore. >> >> Not to mention Oracle and your management don't give a damn about this >> debate either. Good luck telling them Java is to be disposed off because its >> owner is considered evil now. I'd like to see that. :-) >> >> I'm afraid the choice is not ours any more. >> >> So... what d'you have ? :-) >> >> >> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 11:34, Romain Pelisse <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> I would that Java is more in his mid forties, so Java buy yourself a >>> fancy car (Scala ?), start to play the Guitar in a band (JavaFX ? :) ), and >>> probably work a little bit less... ! >>> >>> >>> On 31 August 2010 11:30, Kevin Wright <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Java is not dead. >>>> >>>> Like all good parents, it has sat and patiently raised its children, and >>>> they are now adults themselves. >>>> and also, like most parents with grown-up children, it's reached >>>> retirement age. >>>> >>>> So, Java, we salute you, and all you have done in raising >>>> a successful family. >>>> Be proud of your achievements... >>>> and get out there on that golf course to enjoy a less stressful >>>> existence for the remainder of your years! >>>> >>>> >>>> On 31 August 2010 10:22, Romain Pelisse <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I think that Java is already dead, we simply don't care about it :) >>>>> >>>>> I mean the last "dead technology" was C or C++ - people are still using >>>>> those, the previous one was probably Cobol, still a lot of people using >>>>> those and there is even backport of tools such as JUnit for Cobol ! >>>>> >>>>> Java has been there for so long that it is not going to disappear like >>>>> Forte 4GL did overnight (but you might people using Forte, so even on >>>>> this I >>>>> maybe wrong). Perhaps we have reached a peak and Java will go slowly down, >>>>> perhaps not. But Java is dead statement are plain nonsense. >>>>> >>>>> I think Java is getting older, that for sure. Java is no longer the >>>>> language of choice for crazy new idea or new project. The slow adoption of >>>>> Git/Mercurial in the Java world is a good hint to that (I think). late >>>>> 2008 >>>>> and early 2009 most of major non Java related Open Souce moved to Git or >>>>> Mercurial. This shift happened one year later in the Java world. >>>>> >>>>> Java is like an old person, he doesn't run as he did in his youth, but >>>>> he is far from being dead... >>>>> >>>>> On 31 August 2010 10:27, Fabrizio Giudici < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>>> Hash: SHA1 >>>>>> >>>>>> I've first heard that statement around 2001/2002. It was the first >>>>>> time I started hearing that Java was dead, and at the time I got >>>>>> seriously worried as I focused on Java since the inception of my >>>>>> career - at the time, Java was six years old and it was not surprising >>>>>> for a technology of that age to have reached its peak. I seriously >>>>>> started looking around to discover what could have been the "next >>>>>> thing" so I wasn't trapped into a dead end. Then I learned that it was >>>>>> just nonsense and I stopped worrying. Of course, Java will eventually >>>>>> die and I have to be careful not to be trapped into a dead end, but I >>>>>> understood that those statements are not the proper canary in the coal >>>>>> mine. >>>>>> >>>>>> - -- >>>>>> Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect, Project Manager >>>>>> Tidalwave s.a.s. - "We make Java work. Everywhere." >>>>>> java.net/blog/fabriziogiudici - www.tidalwave.it/people >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >>>>>> Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.14 (Darwin) >>>>>> Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ >>>>>> >>>>>> iEYEARECAAYFAkx8vPsACgkQeDweFqgUGxcWhgCfVGXxijXEnc47FGmlHj3+7oxS >>>>>> hlMAniJV5OzoHX2r2aK6x78T4RscTsWL >>>>>> =lJR0 >>>>>> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "The Java Posse" group. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>> [email protected]<javaposse%[email protected]> >>>>>> . >>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Romain PELISSE, >>>>> "The trouble with having an open mind, of course, is that people will >>>>> insist on coming along and trying to put things in it" -- Terry Pratchett >>>>> http://belaran.eu/ >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "The Java Posse" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> [email protected]<javaposse%[email protected]> >>>>> . >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Kevin Wright >>>> >>>> mail/google talk: [email protected] >>>> wave: [email protected] >>>> skype: kev.lee.wright >>>> twitter: @thecoda >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "The Java Posse" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> [email protected]<javaposse%[email protected]> >>>> . >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Romain PELISSE, >>> "The trouble with having an open mind, of course, is that people will >>> insist on coming along and trying to put things in it" -- Terry Pratchett >>> http://belaran.eu/ >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "The Java Posse" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> [email protected]<javaposse%[email protected]> >>> . >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "The Java Posse" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]<javaposse%[email protected]> >> . >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. >> > > > > -- > Kevin Wright > > mail/google talk: [email protected] > wave: [email protected] > skype: kev.lee.wright > twitter: @thecoda > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "The Java Posse" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]<javaposse%[email protected]> > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. 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