"2. Java Desktop will never be a threat. It makes sense for apple to stop spending the resources on keeping it up to date."
Isn't it a drop in the bucket for a company that has close to 50 billion dollars in the bank to keep Java alive on the Mac? On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 8:49 AM, Reinier Zwitserloot <reini...@gmail.com>wrote: > No, your argument does not make sense. > > Java Desktop is no threat today. Right. But, this isn't just about > today, it's about the future. Two options: > > 1. Java Desktop becomes a threat. It makes sense for apple to stop > this in its tracks. > > 2. Java Desktop will never be a threat. It makes sense for apple to > stop spending the resources on keeping it up to date. > > They are only alienating developers because certain oblivious > developers have reacted to this news in blind panic, instead of > thinking it through. Teaches Apple right for thinking developers > aren't susceptible to mass hysteria. > > I'd be pissed if Apple is indeed shooting for option #1 here, but I'm > guessing it's purely about the resources. Especially with the new app > store stuff, they are taking on a very large role in quality > assurance. If the app doesn't work as advertised, apple gets a > significant chunk of the negative marketing. As well as the support > call and the refund request. I'm not entirely sure this line of > reasoning makes much sense (bugs happen, you can't stop them all), but > a basic rule that all platforms you support are built to be as robust > as you can is a good rule to have, and I'm guessing Apple does not see > the java platform (for client side apps) worth maintaining at that > level. > > On Oct 28, 8:42 pm, Rob Ross <rob.r...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Oct 28, 2010, at 9:54 AM, Cédric Beust ♔ wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 3:01 AM, Reinier Zwitserloot < > reini...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > You're misrepresenting what apple is doing (or misunderstanding). > > > Apple isn't trying to bash java > > > > > Steve Jobs in 2007: > > > > > “Java’s not worth building in. Nobody uses Java anymore. It’s this big > heavyweight ball and chain.” > > > > > Your other points still hold, though. Apple thinks that Java sucks > *and* that it threatens their business model, hence the current decision to > stop providing it. The decision makes business sense. > > > > > -- > > > Cédric > > > > On further analysis, it really does *not* make sense. > > > > As has been clearly shouted from almost every rooftop in the land, Java > Desktop never became a successful toolkit for building & running consumer > desktop apps. Even I, who love Swing dearly and spend most of my time > writing Swing apps, will agree to this. > > > > If that's the case, exactly *what* threat does Java currently pose for > the consumer desktop, specifically Apple's desktop? > > > > 1. Are they worried Java desktop apps are competing with native Cocoa > apps? No, that can't be, as we've just agreed Java is not used to write > desktop apps. It's *no* threat in that space. > > > > 2. Are they worried that Java *will* become successful on the desktop? If > so, isn't that an implicit endorsement that Java is a formidable foe in that > space? > > > > Which one is it? > > > > If it's #1, then they have clearly made a strategic mistake by alienating > hundreds of thousands (millions?) of developers who enjoy using Apple > hardware for Java development, and were never going to compete with Apple by > writing Java desktop apps. > > > > If it's #2, then I say all the more reason for the community to create a > better native JDK for the Apple platform and kick their butt in the > marketplace! > > > > Rob > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "The Java Posse" group. > To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<javaposse%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en.
