If a troll owns the company he can also "owns" the person in the company that 
owns the patents. So the troll funds the action and collects the proceeds at 
the end. It might be a bit more fair in that the owner might get more in the 
end but the result will still be the same as it doesn't address these 
fundamental problems

1) many patents are awarded when they clearly shouldn't be
2) many pattens are too broad
3) it is almost impossible for anyone to know if they are in violation of some 
patent.

The later is most frustrating and it is exacerbated by the other 2.

in the last podcast we heard that a review Oracle's 21 patents lead to 17 of 
them being knocked down. Meaning, >75% of the patents Oracle agreed to use to 
try their case with should never have been granted in the first place.  
Consider this, I doubt that Oracle would have agreed to Google cherry picking 
patents that they new they could knock down which means Oracle considered these 
patents to be the most important ones and the ones that would stand up. And 
they scored 25% on picking viable patents. I don't know about anyone else but I 
find this stat astounding! More than 75% of the patents Oracle allowed to be 
used in this case were granted because the patent office failed to recognize 
that they shouldn't have been. Meaning, the patent office was wrong >75% of the 
time. How many of you could keep your job when you were wrong 75% of the time? 
Seriously!

If this is representative of what has been patented.... this is beyond broken. 
Clearly the patent office needs help. In fact if you *don't* help there is no 
reason for them *not* to issue the patent. This was the case when a group of us 
managed to convince Microsoft to withdraw a bundle of applications that if 
awarded would have placed project BlueJ in jeopardy.

Now some might claim that this means the system works. After all, 17 patents no 
longer exist that shouldn't have existed. But it's just too little too late. 
What about the patents that haven't been challenged for one reason or another. 
Are 75% of them invalid also? Don't forget, these are 75% of Oracle's "best" 
patents.

If the patent office makes a mistake, they should be made to be responsible to 
fix it. Simply awarding a patent and then leaving it up to the courts to sort 
it out if the patent office made a mistake simply isn't working. The litigation 
should be moved to a different arbitration/review process. And the patent 
office needs to bear some of the responsibility for this mess.

Regards,
Kirk


On Aug 10, 2011, at 6:45 AM, Cédric Beust ♔ wrote:

> On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 9:41 PM, Reinier Zwitserloot <reini...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> Non-transferable is even worse. That does absolutely nothing to the patent 
> trolls but hurts the very rare Joe Inventor quite a bit. You can buy a 
> company and leave that company intact, injecting whatever lawyer power you 
> need for that company to start the court cases.
> 
> Do explain. Let's say there is a 3 year deadline and no transfer right. A 
> company or an inventor comes up with an idea and patents it.
> 
> How does a patent troll take advantage of that patent?
> 
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