On Wed, 23 Nov 2011 20:51:46 +0100, Simon Ochsenreither <simon.ochsenreit...@googlemail.com> wrote:

Hi,

are you sure we are talking about the same language? It pretty much reads
as if you are arguing against dynamically typed languages...

dynamically typed language like scala, php, or whatever


Scala is statically typed, and yes, it takes the type stuff a bit more
seriously than Java, too.

Probably a bit too much. BTW, I didn't understand yet whether this thread was yet another discussion about Scala, or about Stephen's blog post.

I haven't read the blog post, as 102+ answers are just unreadable. I did attend Stephen's presentation (not really because I'm interested in Scala or Fantom, but because I never attended a talk by Stephen). Overall, it was very interesting. After a short exchange with Mario Fusco, I understand that some criticisms about Scala were probably too shallow. In the end, though, I appreciated one of Stephen's conclusions, that Scala is overkill on typing and that just a few of current programming problems with Java are about typing. Thus there's some overengineering in a useless area. OTOH, while some aspects of Fantom are interesting, I don't feel much enthusiastic about it (still, I don't think Stephen wanted to give it a push, but just have a comparison with Scala). Definitely, it's interesting that with Fantom you can't have shared mutable state, if I understood well, and this is a real area of troubles, where I'd appreciate some care by the language.


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