http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/06/app-store-enigma-the-patent-holder-the-developer-and-the-voiceless-child/
Good example of the harm from software patents. On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 4:43 PM, Cédric Beust ♔ <ced...@beust.com> wrote: > On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 4:27 PM, phil swenson <phil.swen...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> I think this bit of goodness is the exception, not the rule. >> Look at all the patent trolling going on (Lodsys). Look at the >> monster patent portfolios being built (Google, Apple, Oracle, >> Microsoft, Nortel consortium) to attack and defend. >> >> At the very least, patent durations are crazy long for software. >> 14-20 years depending on circumstances. > > > Definitely, that's one of the things I said in the previous discussions. > >> >> Amazon's 1 click patent was >> filed in 1997, expires in 2017. Is that sane in any way? Firstly, >> that it was awarded in the first place. Secondly - 20 years in >> software? > > > How many times has Amazon made money off this patent from a big court case? > Never. How many web sites have a one click purchase link? A lot. > >> >> >> Oh and I love the latest "tweak" to the patent system. First to file >> instead of First to Invent? >> >> http://www.marketwatch.com/story/us-patent-system-to-transform-from-first-to-invent-to-first-to-file-avi-biopharma-and-xoma-look-to-benefit-2012-05-04 >> >> Patent system rewards the big and the rich, not the independents. > > > Many startups get sold for a lot of money in part thanks to their patent > portfolios, so it's not just for the big and rich. I would argue that > without patents, you would see a lot less startups being acquired and a > company like TiVo might never had emerged and be successful despite its > original and disrupting ideas. > > >> >> The >> rich/big co's are the only ones who have the money to file and defend. >> >> It's a fact that almost every software company violates many patents. >> You just don't know it because you'd have to spend tons of time >> researching them + there are tons of ridiculous/obvious patents that >> you can't help but violate + the act of researching patents makes you >> more liable because you "know" about breaking them. > > > Exactly, all this dark matter ("you don't know how many patents you > violate", "look at the portfolio that big companies are amassing", "look at > all these trash patents getting filed") says *nothing* about the system. > > Here are a few criteria by which to measure how well the system works: > > How much innovation is happening in the US (a lot). > How much innovation is happening in countries that have none of these laws > such as China (none). > How many of these patents actually end up in court (hardly any). > How many of these patents that actually land in court end up with an > outrageous verdict (can't even think of one). > > Anyway, we've had this discussion here many, many times, no point in > rehashing it. > > -- > Cédric > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Java Posse" group. > To post to this group, send email to javaposse@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Java Posse" group. To post to this group, send email to javaposse@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en.
