On Tuesday, June 10, 2014 9:47:13 PM UTC-5, Josh Berry wrote: > > Apologies, I was a definitely too absolute in my claim. I was more just > going on admittedly anecdotal evidence that most truly cross platform > applications that aren't a) ugly, or b) dog slow are not written in Java > and related languages. I'm definitely open to counters. > > But, once you get that list made, compare it to the number of applications > that are heavily used in many platforms and the language they used. From > the Kernel, which is on near everything, to browsers. Mozilla is at least > making a stab with a new language that will compete with C/C++. It isn't > clear this will win, though. > > When you say Java apps are "slow", "ugly" and not "heavily used", you are talking about apps like web browsers, chat clients, shell terminals, and media player apps: Java isn't the best fit for that.
At university, I used lots of Windows only apps like PSpice for simulating electric circuits, and CAD desktop apps, and various instrumentation desktop applications: they weren't cross platform, and the GUIs were extremely ugly, wonky, glitchy. Java would be a better fit if those tools were ever rewritten. I worked for a company that made CAE desktop application software. Their GUIs were either Tcl/Tk or based in Windows only C++ MFC and used some porting technology: Java would have been radically easier to develop, looked better, and ran faster for end users. IDEs are often the standard example of where Java GUI is an appropriate dev tool. They aren't unusually ugly and the slowness is a direct result of their functionality, not the GUI technology. Some guys I work with do graph data analysis, and use many tools including a visualization tool called GePhi that is written in Java: it's a very appropriate GUI technology. The GUI is nice, pleasant, and responsive, and we have people using it flawlessly on Mac/Linux/Windows. > Also, and I apologize if this is basically goal post shifting, but when I > refer to cross platform, I don't necessarily mean just linux/mac/windows. > I mean something that can run on the raspberry pi, or aduino, or *any* > phone/tablet/whatever. Obviously, not just any C program can be made to > fit this bill. But, to my knowledge, no Java program can. (Of course, > maybe Angry Birds is all it takes to prove me wrong. Or Scumm games, in > general. :) ) > Sure, lots of people want phones, Raspberry Pi, etc beyond workstation OS. People do have Java apps including JavaFX running on iPhone and Rasberry Pi, although it may not be the best option. People have Java games using libgdx running from mostly one source code base on iOS and Android and Win/Mac/Linux -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Java Posse" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
