David, I can only agree with you here. Ray keep them coming it is much appreciated.
Norman. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Ferrin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <jaws-users-list@googlegroups.com> Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 1:30 AM Subject: [JAWS-Users] Re: question about reading attributes > > Nobody is going to get upset Ray at all, and thanks again for your > research > skills. > David Ferrin > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ray Boyce" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <jaws-users-list@googlegroups.com> > Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 8:08 PM > Subject: [JAWS-Users] Re: question about reading attributes > > > > Hi Sharon > Here is a learning module on Formatting a Document > It explains quite a lot.. > Please everyone do not get upset about this post as I am only trying to > help. > This learning module is entitled, "Formatting a Document." This lesson > demonstrates several formatting options available in the HJPad program, as > well as > techniques of locating and identifying text with specific format > attributes. > > Currently, the only two programs that I've got running are JAWS for > Windows > and HJPad. My application focus is in the HJPad application. Let's open a > document > to work with. > > Ctrl+O > c:\jaws451\training\enu\format.txt > > Good, we're in the document with the insertion point at the upper > left-hand > corner of a document that I have opened called, "Format.txt." The > Format.txt > document is a letter that we wrote to our lead trainer, Dan Clark. The > primary focus of this lesson is going to be on formatting a document. > > The whole idea behind having a prepared document like this one for you to > work in is to show you how easy it is for you to go back after you've > gotten > all > of your ideas typed up, and then carry out your formatting to make your > document look more professional or academic, whatever applies to your > situation. > As we format this document, I'll be showing you some techniques to verify > that a particular formatting action has been carried out. And finally, > we'll > be taking a look at several options that JAWS has built into it that will > allow us to proof our document for content, format attributes, or both. > I'm > going > to press the say all command and have JAWS read a little bit of the > document > that we've got up on the screen, and then I'm going to press the CTRL key > to silence speech. I'll press INSERT+DOWN ARROW now > > Rover Red. One hundred eleven any street. My town comma, my state, zero, > zero, zero, zero, zero dash zero, zero, zero, zero. Freedom Scientific BLV > Group > comma LLC period. Eleven thousand eight hundred thirty-one S-T Court end > period. S-t period. Petersburg comma, F-L. Thirty-three thousand seven > hundred > sixteen. Dear Mr period Clark colon. It is not often that I get a chance > to > write such a letter. In any event, I'd like to take this moment to thank > you > for your kind, gentle, and professional manner while training our class on > JAWS. > > So as we hear, we've just got a bunch of text up on the screen. Nothing's > been formatted and everything is aligned along the left margin of this > document. > I'm going to go ahead and return my insertion point to the top of this > document, CTRL+HOME. > > Top of file. blank > > So we hear "blank", and we're on a blank line at the top of the document. > > However, I'd like for the date to appear at the top of my document. > > > Insert time and date can be found within the Insert pull down menu, which > is > under Insert on the menu bar. So I'm going to press ALT+I to activate the > Insert > pull down menu. > > Alt I. Menu active. Insert. Date and time dot dot dot > > And this is the only item in the Insert menu. I'll press ENTER to open the > date and time dialogue. > > Enter. Leaving menus. Date and time dialogue. Available formats colon list > box. Three slash five slash ninety-nine. One of thirteen. > > Now this Insert format list box contains eleven different ways to let > somebody know what day it is, and two different ways to let them know what > time it > is, should we choose to. We can navigate this list view in the usual way, > either by arrowing through it or first-letter navigation. So if I wanted > to > let > the recipient of my letter know that I wrote on a Friday, as opposed to > 3/5/99, I could simply press the letter F and my focus will move to the > first item > in this list beginning with the letter F. I'll go ahead and do this now. > > F. Friday comma, March zero-five comma, nineteen ninety-nine. > > And we've got a few other options in this list beginning with Friday, but > I'm > just going to select this one. I'll press ENTER. > > Enter. Edit. > > We hear that my application focus moves back to the main document edit > field, and I'm going to do a say current line where I'm at right now. > > Friday comma, March zero-five comma, nineteen ninety-nine. > > We hear that this has been inserted into our document on that blank line > that we generated. Now let's say that I also want to let my recipient know > what > time this letter was written. I'm going to go ahead and activate the > Insert > pull down menu. > > ALT+I. Menu bar. Menu active. Insert date and time dot dot dot. > > I'll press ENTER to open the date and time dialogue. > > Enter. Leaving menus. Date and time dialogue. Available formats colon list > box. Three slash five slash ninety-nine. One of thirteen. > > And I know that I'm in the ten o'clock hour here, so I'm going to press > the > number 1 to jump to the first item beginning with ten, or the number 1 > rather. > > One nineteen ninety-nine dash zero-three dash zero-five. > > I'll press it again. > > One ten fifty-eight colon zero a-m. > > And I'm going to go ahead and select this and press ENTER on it. > > Enter. Edit. > > Now if I do a read current line, > > Friday comma, March zero-five comma, one hundred ninety-nine thousand nine > hundred ten colon fifty-eight a-m. > > We hear that our date and time are both running together. So, it's a > little > bit of a mess. I remember that the insertion point is going to be to the > right > of whatever we just entered into our document, in this case, obviously the > time and date, so I'm going to press the LEFT ARROW until I get to the > beginning > of my time, and then press ENTER to place it on the line of its own. > > M-A space eight zero colon eight five colon zero one. > > There it is, I'll press ENTER. > > Enter. > > And I'll do a say current line. > > Ten fifty-eight colon zero a-m. > > ** Grant's recording ended here -- where is the rest? ** > > Okay, we hear that this has ended up on a line all its own. I'll do a UP > ARROW to do move to and read the previous line. > > Friday comma, March zero five comma, nineteen ninety-nine. > > And there's the line with our date. I'm reasonably sure that my insertion > point is at the beginning of this line, but I'm just going to press the > HOME > key > to make sure of this. > > Home. > > I'm going to select all the text in my header, that is, the date, the > time, > my name and address, and carry out some formatting actions to that > selected > text. If I wanted to select a single line of text, usually I would make > sure > my insertion point was at the beginning of that line, and press SHIFT+END > as we did in the Using the Clipboard section. But in this case, I want to > select multiple lines. So, I'll hold down the SHIFT key while pressing the > DOWN > ARROW a few times. I'll go ahead and do this now. > > Select Friday comma, March zero five comma, nineteen ninety-nine. > > We've selected the first line of text and I've still got the SHIFT key > held > down. I'll press DOWN ARROW again to select the next line. > > Select ten fifty-eight colon zero a-m. > > I'll do it again. > > Select Rover Red. > > And I'm going to continue to hold down the SHIFT key and press DOWN ARROW > until I get to the end of the text that I'd like to select. > > Select one hundred eleven any street. Select my town comma, my state zero, > zero, zero, zero, zero dash zero, zero, zero, zero. Select Freedom > Scientific. > > Okay, so I went a little bit too far, this is not a problem because I can > simply keep that SHIFT key held down and press the UP ARROW key to > unselect > this > text. > > Unselect. Freedom Scientific period. > > And JAWS says, "Unselect," and reads the line that we just unselected. I'm > going to unselect one more line. JAWS didn't read it that time because > it's > just > a blank line, so there wasn't any text to select there. Now I can actually > verify the text that I've got selected by using the say selected text > command, > SHIFT+INSERT+ DOWN ARROW. I'll go ahead and do this. > > Selected text is Friday comma, March zero five comma, nineteen > ninety-nine, > ten fifty-eight colon zero a-m. Rover Red. One hundred eleven any street. > My > town comma, my state zero, zero, zero, zero, zero dash zero, zero, zero, > zero. > > Okay, so we hear that this is the only text that's currently selected in > our > document, and it appears in a highlight block. And pressing any of the > navigational > keys at this point will unselect our text and bring back our insertion > point. If I wanted to double check and make sure that this text was still > selected, > I could use the read format attribute command that JAWS has built into it, > INSERT+F. I'll go ahead and press this now. > > Font equals Courier New ten-point highlighted. > > So we hear the type of font, the point size, and the fact that this text > is > highlighted or selected. The first thing that I would like to do to my > selected > text is center it. And as with the insert time and date feature, I could > activate the format menu with an access key, ALT+O, but this first time, > I'm > just > going to activate the menu bar by pressing the ALT key. > > Menu bar. File. > > And then ARROW to the right until I hear format. > > Edit. View. Insert. Format. > > And I'll DOWN ARROW to activate the Format menu. > > Menu active. Font dot dot dot. > > We hear font, I'm going to DOWN ARROW again, > > Paragraph dot dot dot. > > JAWS speaks, "Paragraph dot dot dot." And I do want to effect the > paragraph > that's currently selected, so I'm going to press ENTER. > > Enter. Leaving menus. Paragraph dialogue. Indentation left colon edit. > Zero > quote. > > I'm going to press TAB until I get to the alignment combo box. > > Tab. Indentation right colon edit. Zero quote. Tab. Indentation first line > colon edit. Zero quote. Tab. Alignment colon combo box left. > > And we hear that the selected item by default in our combo box is to align > our text to the left. I'm going to DOWN ARROW through this combo box to > centered. > > Right. Center. > > And press Enter. > > Enter. Edit. > > And our selected text is now centered. Let's say that I also want to bold > this selected text. This time I'm going to press the access key > combination, > ALT+ > O to activate the Format pull down menu. > > Alt O. Menu active. Format. Font dot dot dot. > > Font dot dot dot is currently selected and this is where I want to go to > find the bold option, so I'll press ENTER and open this dialogue. > > Enter. Leaving menus. Font dialogue. Edit combo. Courier New. Courier New. > Regular ten. > > So JAWS reads that we're in an edit combo box and this combo box contains > the various fonts that we can select from. JAWS also spoke the fonts' > style, > which > is regular, as opposed to bold or italicized, and we also heard the font > point size, which we'll also be changing in this entire document. I'm just > going > to go ahead and tab over to the font style control. > > Tab. Font style colon edit combo. Regular. > > So again we're in a combo box and I'm just going to DOWN ARROW to bold. > > Font style colon edit combo. Italic. Font style colon edit combo bold > bold. > > I'll press ENTER on this option. > > Enter. Edit. > > And our selected text is now both centered and bolded. > > I'm going to bring up the list of managers with INSERT+F2. > > JAWS. Run JAWS Manager Dialogue. List box. Configuration Manager. One of > ten. > > Configuration manager is the first item in this list. I'll press ENTER to > activate that. > > Enter. Format dot t-x-t dash HJPad. Edit. JCF dash JAWS Configuration > Manager. > > And because our application focus was in the HJPad application at the time > we pressed INSERT+F2 to bring up our list of managers, JAWS makes the > assumption > that we want to modify the configuration file associated with that > program. > So we're in a configuration called HJPad.jcf and the first thing that I'd > like > to modify in my HJPad configuration is found under Format Options from > within the Set Options menu. I'm going to go ahead and press ALT+S to > activate the > Set Options menu. > > ALT+S. Menu active. Set Options. User options dot dot dot. > > And this time I'm just going to press the DOWN ARROW until I hear format > options. > > Text processing dot dot dot. Format options dot dot dot. > > There it is. I'll press ENTER. > > Enter. Leaving menus. Format Options Dialogue. Speak text formatting > enabled. Check box not checked. > > By default, this check box is not checked. We've only got a couple of > other > items in this dialogue when this item is not checked. As soon as I check > this > check box, we're going to have a lot more options in this dialogue. I'm > going to go ahead and check this check box now by pressing the SPACEBAR. > > Speak text formatting enabled. Check box checked. > > And I'm going to press TAB to move to the next control. > > Tab. Speak text formatting attributes. Check box checked. > > JAWS says, "Speak text formatting attributes, check box checked." Since > this > box is checked by default, and I do want to hear formatting attributes > such > as italicized, underlined, and bold, spoken as I'm reading my document, > I'll > leave this checked and press the TAB key to move to the next control. > > Tab. Speak text formatting font. Check box not checked. > > JAWS says, "Speak text formatting font," and by default, this check box is > not checked. Checking this check box lets JAWS know that you would like to > get > some sort of indication when a font has changed when you're reading a > document. I'm going to go ahead and check this check box by pressing > SPACEBAR now. > > Speak text formatting font. Check box checked. > > And I'm going to press the TAB key to move to the next control. > > Tab. Speak text formatting point size. Check box not checked. > > Speak text formatting point size. And by default, this check box is not > checked. Let's check this one also. I'll press SPACEBAR now again. Next, > I'm > going > to press TAB to move to the next control. > > Tab. Speak text formatting foreground color. Check box not checked. > > I'm going to press the TAB key to move to the next control and leave this > unchecked. > > Tab. Speak text formatting background color. Check box not checked. > > Same goes for background color, I'll press TAB to move to the next > control. > > Checking foreground and background color can be useful if you are working > with text that has to be formatted in certain colors. However, we won't > be > using > that option in this lesson. > > Tab. Speak text formatting repeated characters. Check box not checked. > > Repeated characters, check box not checked. Checking this item tells JAWS > that we want to hear the actual number of repeated characters when they're > encountered. > For example, if we had 40 stars on a line, by default, JAWS is going to > read > only three of those repeated characters. In other words, you'll hear, > "star, > star, star." Checking this option will tell JAWS that you'd like to hear > the > actual number, so 40 stars. Let's go ahead and check this checkbox as well > by pressing the SPACEBAR. Now, I'm going to press the TAB key to move to > the > next control. > > Tab. Speak text formatting capitalization. Check box not checked. > > I'm going to check, this checkbox as well, to test for capital letters > that > appear in my document. Then, I'll press TAB to move to the next control. > > Tab. Okay button. > > And I'm going to press ENTER to activate the okay button. > > Enter. JCF dash JAWS Configuration Manager. > > I'm going to save my changes to the HJPad configuration by pressing CTRL+S > as in save. > > CTRL+S. > > And now I'll press ALT+TAB to move back to the HJPad application. > > I'm back in the HJPad application with my format document up on the > screen. > My insertion point is at the top of this document. I'm going to press > control+home > to make sure that I'm at the top of the document. Next, I'll press the > sayline keystroke, insert+up arrow. > > Go ahead and do a read current line. > > jaws says: . etc. > > So one thing you heard was a different kind of voice, known as the message > voice, announcing several items. You can change the parameters of this > voice > or pick a different person altogether from within the voices menu of your > JAWS Main Application window. It is called the "Tutor and Message Voice". > > So we heard JAWS speak the attribute, "bold" and the font, "Courier New." > And that's because we specified that we wanted to hear format attributes > such > as bold, underlined, italicized, font style, and so on. And we also wanted > to hear whenever there was a change in the type of font contained within a > document. > So as we're pressing the DOWN ARROW to move through our document, you'll > see > that the message voice is going to speak only according to the criteria > that > you set in the format dialogue of the HJPad configuration file. > > So we know that we can do a say current line and have the information > we've > checked for in the Format Options dialog box spoken to us, however, as we > navigate > by words, characters, or our arrow keys, unless that information changes, > we're > not going to hear the message voice for every line. In other words, if > we are on a word that changes from normal to bold, we will hear JAWS speak > "bold, followed by the word. If the next word is also bold, we won't hear > the > message voice say bold again, because it is the same as the previous word. > However, when the attributes change, you'll hear them just before you hear > the word that has those different attributes spoken. I'm going to press > DOWN ARROW one time. > > Rover Red. > > And I'm going to keep pressing the DOWN ARROW until there is a change in > the > type of font or type of attribute that this text is written in. > > One hundred eleven any street. My town. Blank. Blank. Normal. Freedom > Scientific > > So JAWS detected that there was a change in the font style, we went from > bold to normal style text, so we were notified of that, as we were moving > through > our document. You also heard that when JAWS says "CAP" and the word, then > you know that word has the first letter capitalized. When you hear JAWS > say > "ALL CAPS" and then the word, you know that the word is entirely > capitalized. > > My insertion point is on the first line of the main body of this letter. > > OK, let's now move down into the document until you land on the line that > starts with "It is not often ." > > Move to the word "that" in this sentence using your navigation techniques > learned earlier. An easy way is to press HOME first while you are on this > line, > to make sure you are at the beginning of the line, and on the word "it". > Press INSERT+RIGHT ARROW on your num pad to move to the word "that". Your > cursor > will be at the beginning of the word. Now, press the windows keys to > select > this word, CONTROL+SHIFT+RIGHT ARROW and continue to hold down the > CONTROL+SHIFT > keys and press RIGHT ARROW again to select the words "I get a chance". > Now > you should have the words "that I get a chance" selected. Let's use a > hotkey > combination instead of going to the menus to make these words underlined. > That keystroke is CONTROL+U. I'll press this keystroke now. > > Now, using next word navigation, INSERT+RIGHT ARROW, which will unselect > the > currently highlighted text by the way, move to the next word that says > "I'd" > and stop there. You should be at the beginning of the word "I'd", just > before the text continues with "like to take". Use your Windows word > selection > keys to select these words, remembering to hold down the CONTROL+SHIFT > keys > while pressing RIGHT ARROW. You should select the text phrase "I'd like > to > take". > > To repeat how to read your selected text again, press SHIFT+INSERT+DOWN > ARROW to verify this. The selected text should be spoken. Now, let's > make > this > text italicized. The hot key for this action is CONTROL+I. I'll go ahead > and press this key combination now. > > Finally, let's move to the word "moment" and before the word "to" and > insert > some extra spaces to show how that works. Then move to the word "thank" > and > put in two extra letter "n's". > > Press up arrow to go backwards one line at a time, listening to each line, > to the first line that begins with "It is not often" and listen to the > reading > of the attributes. > > ALT+TAB back to HJPad.JCF, Set Options, Format Options, UNCHECK THE FORMAT > OPTIONS CHECKBOX, CHECK DEFAULT BUTTON IS "OK" AND PRESS ENTER TO CLOSE. > CONTROL+S TO SAVE > DEMO NOW NOT READING FORMAT AND ATTRIBUTES SPEAK. (Only do a few lines, > you > don't have to do the whole letter.) > > USE VERBOSITY LIST TO CHANGE THIS ON THE FLY. Again, when demonstrating, > only do a few lines to let them hear that it is on again or off again. > > POINT IS, you can set this for any program individually by using JAWS > Configuration Manager. Once you set the items you want to check in the > Set > Options > menu, Format Options dialog and turn them off, you can always pull them up > to proofread a document check on-the-fly with the JAWS Verbosity List, > INSERT+V. > > That's the end of the section on format options. Please join me again in > the > next lesson. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sharon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <jaws-users-list@googlegroups.com> > Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 10:30 AM > Subject: [JAWS-Users] question about reading attributes > > >> >> For the life of me, I cannot remember what keystroke to use when I want >> to >> turn on reading of fonts, italic, bold, underline etc. for proofreading. >> I'm >> getting tired of hitting insert f every couple words. >> Anyone remember? Can't find the answer everywhere, and I used to know! >> Sharon >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: jaws-users-list@googlegroups.com >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of JOHN O CARVALHO >> Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 2:46 PM >> To: jaws-users-list@googlegroups.com >> Subject: [JAWS-Users] Re: Progress Bar Announcements in J 7.0 & OE >> >> >> >> Hey Donny, >> That's in the jaws configure management. >> >> PEACE >> John Carvalho >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Donnie Parrett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: <jaws-users-list@googlegroups.com> >> Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 12:42 PM >> Subject: [JAWS-Users] Re: Progress Bar Announcements in J 7.0 & OE >> >> >>> >>> Hey Maria, >>> >>> How can I get to the progress bar and see what mine is set on? >>> >>> See ya, >>> Scooter >>> >>> >>> >>> Contact me at: >>> Donnie Parrett >>> 1956 Asa Flat Road >>> Annville, KY 40402 >>> Home # 606-364-3321 >>> Cell # 606-438-2557 >>> Church # 606-364-PRAY >>> Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: jaws-users-list@googlegroups.com >>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Maria Campbell >>> Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 12:00 PM >>> To: jaws-users-list@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: [JAWS-Users] Re: Progress Bar Announcements in J 7.0 & OE >>> >>> >>> >>> If it's any help, I have my progress bar announcement set for every 30 >>> seconds in the default JAWS configuration. >>> That way I'll get some feedback, but not annoyingly so. >>> >>> >>> Sunny Day >>> Maria Campbell >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >>> rules to be happy: >>> 1. Free your heart from hatred. >>> 2. Free your mind from worries. >>> 3. Live simply. >>> 4. Give more. >>> 5. Expect less. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Margaret Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: "jaws-users" <jaws-users-list@googlegroups.com> >>> Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 11:45 AM >>> Subject: [JAWS-Users] Progress Bar Announcements in J 7.0 & OE >>> >>> >>>> >>>> Hi All, >>>> >>>> I'm still trying to set up JAWS 7.0 to my liking and JFW is still >>>> announcing the percentage of downloaded mail when I do a Control-M in >>>> Outlook Express and progress bar announcement updates is set at off in >>>> outlook express 5-6.jcf - JAWS Configuration Manager. I have cable, >>>> so it's rather annoying and JFW 6.2 didn't announce the progress with >>>> announcements set at 5 second intervals. I tried setting them at 5 >>>> second intervals in 7.0, but it didn't help. JAWS often announces 100 >>>> % twice just to be sure I might not have gotten it the first time. >>>> >>>> I looked at the Technical Service Bulletins for OE at the FS site >>>> and there weren't any related to the problem. >>>> >>>> I have XP Home with SP2 and it's OE 6 and IE6. I haven't tried >>>> changing the setting in the default.jcf - JAWS Configuration Manager >>>> since there might be a program where I might want announcements. Has >>>> anyone experienced a similar problem or am I missing something here? >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Margaret >>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.12/653 - Release Date: >> 1/26/2007 >> 11:11 AM >> >> -- >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.12/653 - Release Date: >> 1/26/2007 >> 11:11 AM >> >> >> > >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.12/653 - Release Date: >> 1/26/2007 >> 11:11 AM >> > > > > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list%40googlegroups.com/ Address to contact the management team: [EMAIL PROTECTED] You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "JAWS Users List" group. 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