Man! Thank you moderator! I was getting tired of seeing this
topic in my inbox everyday! Please knock it off! I get over 100
messages per day! I will stop ranting about it now!
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Moderator" <modera...@jaws-users.com
To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Date sent: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 05:34:29 -0400
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS
Okay folks, take this one off-list, it has nothing to do with
Jaws.
Let's remember, this is the Jaws -users list not System Access.
Richard Q. Justice-list moderator
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Hallsworth" <christopher...@googlemail.com
To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 4:18 AM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS
System Access is the commercial version of Serotek's screen
reader. System
Access to Go is similar, however it's free to use and runs
inside your
browser. The browser must be open for System Access to Go to
operate. You
can try it now at www.satogo.com. Hope this helps.
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-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com
[mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of
Sarah anson
Sent: 19 September 2009 4:17 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS
what is the difference between system access and system access
to go?
Sarah A.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Hansen" <amt...@gmail.com
To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 6:06 AM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS
Yes, in short, System Access (and System Access to Go) is the
only
thing that works with iTunes right now. I don't know what the
SA
"mouse over" command is, but still...it works. The format kind
of
reminds me of AmazonMP3, which is fine.
Also, I don't know why the library won't read if it has been
upgraded
previously--perhaps because the file contains "upgraded" data?
On 9/17/09, Sarah anson <beccaj...@tconl.com> wrote:
Hi,
Yes, I have tried that. Am using a laptop though. I think the
commands are the same cause I tried a moseover on a sample
freedom
scientific page and it works fine. BAut, in itunes it doesn't.
8.2 is very easy. And, if you hit enter on a song it will play
the
preview unlike version 9. 8.2 I had no probs with using jaws
10.
Sarah A.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Donald Marang" <donald.mar...@gmail.com
To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 12:20 AM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS
I am just getting started with iTunes. Even version 8.2.1 seems
hard
to get it to do what I want to do at this point. I noticed that
you
mention that you should be able to get a preview in the store by
performing a mouseover. When JAWS is focused on a song in the
store,
have you attempted
the "activate mouseover" keystroke? On a desktop keyboard, that
would be the Control + Insert + NumPad Enter. I am not sure how
this
differs from hovering the mouse over an object by routing the
JAWS
cursor to the PC cursor with the Insert + NumPad Minus. I would
try
both.
Don Marang
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sarah anson" <beccaj...@tconl.com
To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 11:33 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS
I tried the system access. It seems to be working exactly the
same
as jaws
when I am browsing the itunes store.
It won't let me mouseover a song, so I don't know how you're
supposed to be previewing it.
It is probably me it just seems that the itunes is workign the
same
as it
was in jaws. It's not reading link link link over and over
towards
the beginning of the page, but other then that it's about the
same.
Maybe i'm
doing or have something set wrong.
Also, I know this is unjaws related, but where'd the put the
free
on itunes page?
thanks,
sarah A.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Blackwell, Clifford" <cblackw...@cityofmadison.com
To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 3:08 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS
Prio to the development of VoiceOver, Apple took no steps
towards
making
their computers accessible. Rather, they relied on third party
developers to write programs for accessibility. This is similar
to how Microsoft has interfaced with screen reader developers.
However, Microsoft and companies like Freedom Scientific and GW
Micro have tended
to work more closely together than Apple and the previous
developers of screen readers for Apple computers.
When the last of these third party developers announced that it
would no
longer be developing or upgrading its screen reading program,
Apple needed to address the void that would be created. It
needed
to do so, because of increasing criticism of its hands off
policy
and because it needed to have its products accessible to meet
contracting requirements for many governemental entities. At
least in part, that is why Apple undertook development of
VoiceOver.
Before the development of VoiceOver, Apple wanted to attract
those
who used Windows to its Ipod products. That is why it developed
both a Mac version and eventually a Windows version. Again
there
were many motives, but much had to do with the economics of the
music industry.
By reverting to form, in this instance, I suggest that with
respect othe
Windows version of Itunes, apple is seeking to force the screen
reader developers to play ball their way rather than building a
program/site that conforms readily to Windows standard controls
and
structures.
Why
they are doing this, I don't have a clue.
I think that if you'd like to continue this discussion, we've
reached the point where it should go off list
I thank the moderators indulgence to this point.
-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com
[mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of
Sarah
anson
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 2:55 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS
Hmmm. Enteresting...So what do you mean by reversion to form
windows? Tey are trying to make itunes 9.0 look more like a
windows program?
And by apple giving stuff to third party, you mean someone else
designes
he
programs and then apple puts there name on them?
Sarah A.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Blackwell, Clifford" <cblackw...@cityofmadison.com
To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 1:35 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS
The basic operating systems are very different. To program for
accessibility in one environment does not mean that it will be
programmed correctly for another.
Apple, it seems to me, has a history of pushing development of
solutions to third parties. VoiceOver is a departure from this
approach, but it feels as if their approach to the changes in
Itunes 9 is a reversion to form for Windows based programs.
-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com
[mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of
Sarah anson
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 1:31 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS
Well, then how come it works on the mac. Don't you I mean they
have to program voiceover. How can something work with one
screen
reader and not another?
Sarah A
----- Original Message -----
From: "Blackwell, Clifford" <cblackw...@cityofmadison.com
To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 9:14 AM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS
It is also the fault of the programmers who do not write
cstandard code that can be accessed by screen readers.
-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com
[mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of tim
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 5:18 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS
It is accessible using a mac with voice over, but on windows
with wineyes or jaws expect some parts not to be accessible.
That is the fault of the screen readers and what they support.
At 06:17 PM 9/14/2009, you wrote:
Hi,
I have another question about itunes.
If I uninstall it to go back to itunes 8, won't it remove my
itunes folder where all my music is at?
Also, all over the apple website, it is claiming that itunes 9.0
is fully accessibale. They say to use window eyes that is not
much different from Jaws.
So, if apple is claiming it's accessible then how come the
itunes store isn't accessible. I mean they are saying on there
website that the store is easier designed for the visually
impaired. Is it just that we don't know how to use the store?
I mean if they are claiming itunes 9 is accessible then it
should be. I really don't wanna switch back unless I have to.
Sarah A.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Hansen"
<amt...@gmail.com
To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 11:12 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS
Go into your iTunes folder and copy the "iTunes Library.itl"
file to your clipboard and put it somewhere. Then when you do
manage to get the older iTunes installed, paste it over the
existing iTunesLibrary.itl file it will create...unless your
library is already there in iTunes first.
-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com
[mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of
Sarah anson
Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 10:45 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS
I am not sure if you can copy and paste. If you were using the
version that was released before 9.0 then it would take you
like maybe five mins to sign up.
How do I go back to the previous version of itunes. If I
uninstall itunes and reinstall old version, won't that delete
my library?
Sarah A.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Donald Marang"
<donald.mar...@gmail.com
To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 1:44 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS
I installed iTunes 9 yesterday. I am not familiar with the
iTunes layout and operation yet. It seems fairly complicated.
I was having trouble using iTunes 9 and saw others were having
difficulty too. So I decided to revert to a version known to
work. At least until I learned how to get around in iTunes.
With a little searching, I found the following official Apple
download link for iTunes 8.2.1:
http://support.apple.com/kb/DL928
It took me 3 hours to sign up for an iTunes account, even with
version 9!
What is the deal with edit boxes and combo boxes in iTunes?
Is copy and paste illegal?
Don Marang
----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Hansen"
<amt...@gmail.com
To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 8:20 AM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS
I have a friend who was able to make her way around iTunes
pretty well with JAWS 8. But Kim, do not download the latest
version of iTunes, especially if you have an older JAWS. I
would try looking for an iTunes version
8
from
a website like www.oldversion.com
-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com
[mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of
Holger Fiallo
Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 3:57 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS
go to apple.com and go to iTune and download. Regarding jaws
do not know.
probably.
Kind Regard
Holger Fiallo
----- Original Message ----- From: "kim kelly"
<kim...@clearwire.net
To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 3:29 AM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS
Can I. tunes be used with older versions of Jaws?
And how is it used and also downloaded.
If some one can let me know i would appreciate it.
Kim Kelly
----- Original Message ----- From: "Sarah anson"
<beccaj...@tconl.com
To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 10:42 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS
Hi,
I installed the update! I do not like it. You can buy stuff
from the store, but it is kinda complicated, and I can't
figure out how to listen to the songs. Like, to preview
them.
You go to the itunes store and then in the search box, type
something like "Boys like girls." If you know the name of
the song like "She's got a boyfriend now." Type in "boys
like girls she's got a boyfriend now."
If
you know the name of the album type the album name "Love
Drunk"
for
example or the artist and album "Boys like girls love drunk."
Then press enter. Next tab till you hear the album you want.
Press
enter.
hen it will say something like View full album. Press enter
then
ctrl+end
to go to the end of the screen. Press tab and you should
hear it say "buy
love drunk." For example and then tab again it it will say
"Buy Two is better than one featuring Taylor Swift." and I
am assuming then you press
enter on the song you wanna buy. It sould take you through
the whole album.
If I can figure out more, I will let you know. And, I was
just using that
artist/album as an example on how to use the itunes store.
Sarah A.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Hansen"
<amt...@gmail.com
To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 7:52 PM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS
Hi everyone,
I believe on Tuesday or sometime this week Apple released
a new version of iTunes, iTunes 9. Has anyone downloaded
this and had any success, particularly in the iTunes
Store? I did update and now I'm trying to figure out how
to use the thing.
Thanks,
Michael
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