Can you send me the link for that form? My understanding is that it's not coming out for a few months but I may as well be a girl scout about it, Be prepared. Best, Judith
-----Original Message----- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 4:51 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] [EXTERNAL] Clinging to XP. It is. My husband already has filled in the e-mailed form from MicroSoft for Windows 10. GIFT (God is forever true), Carolyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "j Bron" <jb...@optonline.net> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 12:13 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] [EXTERNAL] Clinging to XP. > Correct me if I'm wrong but I understood from a thread earlier in the week > that upgrading to Windows 10 will be free from Microsoft. > > -----Original Message----- > From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On > Behalf Of Baracco, Andrew W > Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 11:55 AM > To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com > Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] [EXTERNAL] Clinging to XP. > > I migrated from XP to 7 3 years ago when I bought a new PC. It really > isn't > that different from XP, and is much more stable. It is true that in time > XP > users will have a harder and harder time accessing their favorite web > sites > and taking advantage of added web functionality. One way that you can get > around not being able to update IE is to use Firefox. I haven't heard > anything about later versions of Firefox not working with XP. > > Besides security, another issue will be what will happen when you need to > replace peripherals like printers, scanners, etc. that do not have drivers > for XP. My work stuck to XP as long as they dared, but we finally migrated > to 7 in late 2013. Win 7 is not in the situation that XP is yet. MS will > provide updates and security fixes until 2020. You can probably find Win 7 > machines for sale, and you can update them to 10 at a later time if you > wish. > > Andy > > > -----Original Message----- > From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On > Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold > Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 5:37 AM > To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com > Subject: [EXTERNAL] [JAWS-Users] Clinging to XP. > > The problem with clinging to XP is that if I continue to do so, eventually > I > will not be able to get on the Internet. I keep getting warnings, but I > cannot update Internet Explorer with this system. > > GIFT (God is forever true), > > Carolyn > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)" <ted.li...@ky.gov> > To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> > Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 7:54 AM > Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Windows 10, Here's what Microsoft should have > done > instead > > > Doesn't sound like something I'd break my neck to acquire. That's why so > many folks are still desperately clinging to XP like a drowning man > holding > a rope. That's why my builder and I agreed to go with Windows 7 as late > as > December, 2013. When it ain't broke, don't fix it! > > Ted > > -----Original Message----- > From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On > Behalf Of Trish > Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 10:27 AM > To: Jaws-users-list > Subject: Windows 10, Here's what Microsoft should have done instead > > > > > Windows 10, Here's what Microsoft should have done instead > > a.. By David Cardinal on June 9 2015 from the > b.. Extreme Tech Staff > c.. 'Document source Link: > d.. > e.. > http://www.extremetech.com/computing/207780-windows-10-heres-what-micros > oft-should-have-done-instead?mailing_id=1276983&mailing=ExtremeTech&mail > ingID=F98C71CE61AECF34AC8B64A964276FEA > f.. > * > > * Windows 10 is a well-meaning effort by Microsoft to mollify > Windows 8 haters and coax Windows 7 loyalists to upgrade - all while > stubbornly sticking to its goal of a single OS for every possible > platform. > And by framing the problem that way, Microsoft has given itself a nearly > > impossible task. > > * To the company's credit, each new build lurches closer to > being > usable, although with new bugs every time, it is difficult to evaluate how > smooth the final release version will be. Best case: It may earn the > grudging acceptance of Windows 7 users who refuse to move to Windows 8. > And > part of that acceptance will come not from sudden enthusiasm for a new way > of interacting with the desktop, but from a desire to take advantage of > the > clear core benefits Windows 10 provides in performance, security, > administration, and memory usage over Windows 7 and even Windows 8. > > * So why is it so hard to convince users to move to a brand-new, > > free, feature-packed, more efficient OS? > > * > http://www.extremetech.com/computing/205320-microsoft-windows-10-will-be > -the-last-version-of-windows > > * > > * Apple does it all the time. Simply put, because Microsoft > didn't > build Windows 8 or Windows 10 for Windows users. It built them to further > its own business strategy of using the power of the once-ubiquitous > Windows > platform to extend its dominance into the rapidly growing mobile space. > The > result is an OS whose features are now flipping and flopping with each new > build - as Microsoft tries to fix problems of its own creation. > > * Imagine how good a desktop OS Windows 10 could have been > > * What if instead, after realizing what a terrible mistake > Windows 8 > was, Microsoft had made the truly brave decision to come clean and change > its strategy? If Windows 10 had been designed from the beginning to be the > best possible desktop OS, and the thousands of developer years spent > trying > to make it everything to everyone were instead spent providing services > and > applications for the mobile OS platforms people actually want? If in > tandem > Microsoft was willing to let go of its sub-3% market share in mobile, it > > could also have spent the cash it used to buy Nokia to build out its > cross-platform services offerings instead. We could have had a really > excellent desktop OS - worth paying for - > > * > http://www.extremetech.com/computing/201601-microsoft-desperately-wants- > you-to-move-to-windows-10 > > * > > * and great integration with the leading mobile platforms. > > * Certainly Microsoft has woken up to providing competitive > versions > of its applications on Android and iOS. But imagine how much further along > it would have been if it had put real work into the effort starting years > ago. Perhaps we wouldn't have to use third-party utilities to sync our > information between Google and Outlook, for example. Or OneNote might have > supported syncing on Android during the first several years it was > available, instead of only recently. Pick any Microsoft desktop technology > you access from your iOS or Android device and you can come up with a list > of features that would make it much more useful. > > * > > * It's not like there isn't anything to fix in Windows > > * Anyone who thinks Microsoft didn't focus on desktop users as > it > evolved Windows 8 and 10 because its desktop OS has "no need for > improvement" hasn't spent enough time wrestling with the inscrutable hex > error codes from Windows Update, or debugging driver version mismatches, > or > finding information they're sure is somewhere on their disk. While Windows > 10 isn't final, judging by the builds so far, all of those problems are > still there. Even support for high-resolution displays is still spotty. > Windows 10 adds some new Zoom options, but there is still no serious > scalable-font solution that works across the full range of possible > displays. > > * As a good example of how this alternate direction would have > worked, let's look at the Control Panel. No one doubts that it is an old, > crufty system for managing a computer. A desktop-focused OS project would > have overhauled it completely while preserving its functionality. > Instead, > Microsoft seems determined to replace it in bits and pieces with new > "touch-friendly" settings that aren't much more intuitive, and that become > even more frustrating when you need to go back to the old system for > pieces > that are still missing. Windows 10 is supposed to address this problem, > but > we're less than two months from shipment and Settings are still far from > > being either intuitive or finished. > > * Tablet mode and Continuum are also inventions seeking to solve > a > problem Microsoft has invented for itself. For the few of us who actually > own and use a Surface Tablet mode, it's sort of a good thing. (I love that > I > can both taken written notes and run Outlook on my SP3, but with the > addition of desktop apps to Android, I'm not sure how many others will see > the need to spend that kind of money for basic productivity.) It's good > because it is better than Windows 8, where often the touch keyboard > wouldn't > pop up when needed, and icons could be hard to finger. > > * It's still only sort of good, though, because it's confusing > and > forces the user to have one more thing to think about. Somehow iPads and > > Android tablets seem to easily survive the addition of a keyboard without > the need for an entire special OS mode. Like many of the other new > features > in Windows 10, it seems like a "throw it against the wall and hope it > sticks" attempt to solve a user pain point - not a from-the-ground-up > technology architected to support the broad range of devices that can now > run Windows. > > * > > * Windows 10 internals are actually pretty impressive > > * There is a lot to like about Windows 10 - in addition to > having > the best kernel Windows has ever had. Edge (aka Spartan) is promising > (although it too is only a prototype version, and certainly could have > been > shipped separately). Cortana might be useful, but is so limited and buggy > in > the current builds that it is hard to tell. If it doesn't get sorted out > by > July, Microsoft risks taking yet another step backwards in desktop search > functionality, which would be a shame. Virtual desktops are a nice > feature, > although hardly groundbreaking. > > * The included apps are certainly way ahead of the ones > Microsoft > shipped with Windows 8, but Microsoft has had many excellent desktop apps > over the years - including the now-dead Windows Media Center, LiveWriter, > and MovieMaker. It is the company's own fault that it feels the need to > start over time and again. On the tablet side, if Microsoft is serious > about > usability, it should be providing a better touch keyboard - one that > includes swipe-through typing, for example. I also wish the company had > finally fixed Windows Update. Mobile users won't put up with the way it > works now - they are spoiled by seamless OTAs from Apple and even many > Android vendors. > > * Perhaps the ultimate warning sign about Windows 10 for me is > that > for many, its positioning is summed up as being "no worse than the > six-year-old Windows 7, while adding support for tablets and phones." > That > sounds pretty silly, but maybe not far from the truth. I run a Windows 7 > > desktop for some of my business-critical applications right next to a > couple > of Windows 8.1 machines and a couple of Windows 10 machines. I don't > really > feel any less productive when I'm on the Windows 7 machine, and I can't > imagine that I'll upgrade it to Windows 10 and risk something breaking. > > * Tablets are certainly a different story. I've already put > Windows > 10 on almost all my Windows tablets, and suspect most of the small number > of > Windows tablet users will also. Unfortunately for Microsoft, Windows > tablets > are a relatively small market, and may never become mainstream. > > * Laptops are the most interesting case. While each version of > Windows adds new power management features, that may not be enough to get > laptop users to upgrade. For example, Microsoft keeps changing the WiFi > settings interface, and for many of us, the new version is lame compared > to > the more powerful one that preceded it. Engineering laptops still ship > primarily with Windows 7, and I don't see anything about Windows 10 > changing > that. Mainstream laptops will get dragged along onto Windows 10 because of > the Microsoft marketing machine, but I don't know how many current laptop > users will bother to take advantage of the free upgrade. No doubt that is > part of why Microsoft is inflicting its Windows 10 adware on the already > > confusing Windows Update process. > > * At this point the die is cast, and we'll need to live with > whatever we get on July 29th - or stay put and hope the little > Get-Windows-10 nagware goes away. > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
