The subject line is fine but this discussion has drifted way off topic. I sympathize but it is still out of bounds.
David Ferrin A complex system that does not work is invariably found to have evolved from a simpler system that worked perfectly. -----Original Message----- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 8:42 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Speaking of Office 2010? Sixty years ago, I graduated from high school and had a job typing and operating a switchboard. The typewriter had the tab key where the function keys are now. Shift 2 was the quote sign. It seems like underline was Shift 6. Anyway, things are way different. We used belts on a Dictaphone. Rose probably remembers some of that, not 60 years back working, but 50 anyway. JAWS turned out to be a great blessing for any kind of clerical or computer jobs. "Whether you think you can or you can't, you're probably right." Henry Ford. Carolyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Martinez CPA" <george.martinez...@cox.net> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 7:23 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Speaking of Office 2010? > Well, a girl should say "fossil" rather than prehistoric. > 50 years ago September I was learning how to use a key punch machine in > college on an IBM 1401! GRIN > > > > “If I continue to do the same things I have always done and am believing > for change in my life… That is a form of “insanity!” > George A Martinez CPA, PC > 12231 North 50th Avenue > Glendale, AZ 85304-2215 > Voice 602.368.8854 FAX 206.666.2589 > Email george.martinez...@cox.net > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On > Behalf Of Rose Combs > Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 3:44 PM > To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com > Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Speaking of Office 2010? > > Well I am prehistoric then because it was 50 years ago this coming > September that I started learning to type on a manual typewriter. > > > Rose Combs > roseco...@q.com > A picture may be worth a thousand words but it takes up three times the > memory! > > > -----Original Message----- > From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On > Behalf Of j Bron > Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 3:13 PM > To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com > Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Speaking of Office 2010? > > No I don't! As far back as I can remember the tab key on the computer was > in the same place as the typewriter, another pre-historic relic. > > -----Original Message----- > From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On > Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold > Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 6:08 PM > To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com > Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Speaking of Office 2010? > > Of course, JAWS wasn't in the picture then, but do any of you remember > when the tab was where the function keys are now? > > "Whether you think you can or you can't, you're probably right." Henry > Ford. > > Carolyn > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Flor Lynch" <florl...@iol.ie> > To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> > Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 5:39 PM > Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Speaking of Office 2010? > > >> Yes, We've all been reduced to Ribbons, and they're here to stay. Now >> it'd >> be nice if there were a tab key on the right of the keyboard as well as >> just the one on the left! (It'd also protect JAWS from being swore at so >> much in dialogues as well by users!) >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Kimsan >> Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 10:18 PM >> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com >> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Speaking of Office 2010? >> >> I understand, less is better. >> >> Doesn't change the fact that they are here to stay. >> >> I will admit though it drives me bonkers to tab a thousand times but if >> one remembers all of the keytips or use the qat to their advantage then >> all is better than before. The qat, allows 9 items I think, so pick your >> favorite 9. Also, I think you can create your own ribbon with all of >> your >> favorite keytips aalso to avoid all of that tabbing. >> I think with enough time and patience one can modify it to their liking >> to >> getter done. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On >> Behalf Of Flor Lynch >> Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 2:01 PM >> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com >> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Speaking of Office 2010? >> >> But you have to remember more shortcut keys, and more often, than in the >> past! It takes longer to move around the ribbons. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Kevin Lee >> Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 3:50 PM >> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com >> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Speaking of Office 2010? >> >> this is true while the drop down menus were replaced by the ribbons the >> shortcut keys still work, so if you remember the shortcut keys your fine! >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jim Pursley >> Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 7:25 AM >> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com >> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Speaking of Office 2010? >> >> I think Landa nailed it. As Microsoft Office became more complex, pull >> down menus did not enable most users to see more than a few controls >> without going to sub menus. Hence, the ribbon, which had been in use in >> other software products, was adapted to replace much of the top line >> apparatus. This said, not all ribbon controls are logical nor highly >> visible either. e.g. page renaming in Excel comes under a layer called >> cells. Fortunately, hot keys perform the most common functions in >> office, >> bypassing the need to overheat the tab keys. >> >> On 6/25/2015 10:55 AM, Londa Peterson wrote: >>> I think it's easier for sighted people because more options are on the >>> screen at a time where they can see them. I know a lot of sighted >>> people who don't like them either. When you press the alt key, you can >>> then right arrow across the upper ribbon to find the different tabs. >>> If you press tab, you will be in the choices for that ribbon. The tab >>> key, in my opinion, is the most reliable way to move from item to item >>> on the lower ribbon. Control right and left arrow is supposed to move >>> you from group to group on the ribbon so that you can move through the >>> choices faster. You also have accelerators that will let you press a >>> series of letters to do things more quickly. Hope this helps a little. >>> I know sighted people who don't like it either because they don't know >>> where things are. On the other hand, I know people who love it because >>> they can find obscure options more quickly. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] >>> On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold >>> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2015 10:41 PM >>> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com >>> Subject: [JAWS-Users] Speaking of Office 2010? >>> >>> Where in the world did Office 2010 and other newer programs come up >>> with this ribbon idea? It makes no sense to me. I just got some >>> directions, keep them handy and follow them. I guess it makes sense to >>> somebody. >>> >>> "Whether you think you can or you can't, you're probably right." Henry >>> Ford. >>> >>> Carolyn >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Lenny McHugh" <lennymch...@comcast.net> >>> To: "JFW List" <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> >>> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2015 10:40 PM >>> Subject: [JAWS-Users] another marathon session with Microsoft >>> >>> >>>> This was quite interesting. For two days there was a critical >>>> security update for MS office 2010 that would fail every time. >>>> Finally I called the accessibility support team. After two attempts >>>> they started running some diagnostic and clean up tools. One of the >>>> first questions asked was if I ever ran any registry cleaners. When I >>>> told him no he was glad to hear that. >>>> Then he tried it again and it failed. He then wanted to uninstall >>>> office >>>> 2010 and had quite a few problems. He ran some fix it tools and >>>> finally was able to uninstall it. We reinstalled and it took a long >>>> time to apply 39 critical updates. Every thing there is now working >>>> fine. As soon as it was completed I created a restore point and >>>> started a system backup. We were on the phone for almost 2 hours. >>>> >>>> >>>> --- >>>> >>>> Please visit my web page >>>> >>>> It’s motivational, inspirational with a touch of humor >>>> >>>> There is also a very extensive resource list for the blind >>>> >>>> http://www.LennyMcHugh.com >>>> >>>> International Brotherhood of Magicians member #43990R For answers to >>>> frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>> >>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>> >>> >>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >> >> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >> >> >> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >> >> >> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >> >> >> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >> >> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
