will the hot deployment feature be available in the embedded tomcat also. what i mean is if i make changes to a class with tomcat reload it. Shankar ----- Original Message ----- From: marc fleury <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Tomcat Dev List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; jBoss Developer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, October 27, 2000 7:47 PM Subject: jboss on tomcat update > hi guys, > > (long post, crossposted, sorry) > > so it's been a while since I posted to your lists. I just read through the > "jboss is groovy" (my brother pointed it out) thread that was here a month > ago and I thought I owed you guys an update. > > First I was sorry to see there is still some bad blood about what > happened... hey don't worry about it, misunderstandings happen. We > misunderstood your "let's wait" and you misunderstood our "fat ladies" (how > can one misunderstand that ??;-) I finally got to meet Brian 2 weeks ago > and drag him out of Collab for a lunch, and it was a very enlighting > meeting, for me at least. > > Ok here is where we are at: > > for the final version of jboss2.0 (today in beta-production-03) we are > stabilizing the integration of EmbeddedTomcat. The code is already out for > BP03, in CVS, and it works pretty well. Mucho mucho interest from our > users. We have integrated with JMX (sorry no Avalon yet, but if it goes JMX > we will seriously look at it, as we might be interested in an open version > of the management console). Anyway the stuff works inVM and we have > *serious* numbers on invocation time, it is FAST (<.4ms full stack) and we > can now collectively say that the full j2ee stack lives in open source. It > is a reality, an integrated j2ee stack now lives in open source. > > So rejoice my Apache friends :) it seems we have the full j2ee stack in open > source... I repeat we have the full stack in open source. > > So again this is cause for much joy ... the integrated stack in open source > is now a credible alternative to much more established players in the field. > Remember that these EJB/J2ee vendors are focused on Fortune 1000 and we > offer a credible alternative for Fortune 1,000,000,000, something I feel is > important for the future adoption of the j2ee platform as standard web > development and we hope you feel the same. > > Re: the separate projects... I tend to believe things happen for a reason, > even misunderstandings, and maybe the field of open source java is better > for it, I mean not been integrated and all. I mean I am happy with the fact > that several projects are thriving and growing. We are happily integrating > your code, and others people code. The field of open source java will > dominate commercial players through combinatorial mutation and wild > integration, not consolidation, not yet not at this point at least. So let > n-n combinatorials play its part :)). We believe, at a deeper level, that > the inherent complexity of j2ee is outgrowing commercial settings but is > still showing signs of scaling in the open source integration world. At any > rate we hope to continue doing good work with you and in good conditions. > > Re: the licenses. I read many of the arguments regarding the licenses. > There seems to be much misinterpretation of what the GPL requires. Sun and > SAP are going with the GPL for some things (staroffice, SAP-DB), and MPL/APL > for some others (netbeans)... There doesn't need to be a unique license, and > it seems to me the APL folks are on a religious endeavour these days (used > to be the case with GPL, funny how things work out :). > > Anyway, I strongly believe that the field of open source java is about to > reach a new level, a new stage, where our technologies are stable, feature > rich, our communities are strong and united in support of open source as a > credible alternative technology. Man I sound like I am running for > president or something... Maybe Open Source is the future of these > infrastructure technologies. Infrastructure is too important and complex to > be owned by one single private entity... > > I believe will see 2 things very soon in open source java (app server > sphere, not jdk): > > 1- the progress of j2ee as standard web development platform (think .NET). > For that to happen, offers like ours (tomcat+jboss) are going to be needed. > 2- the consolidation of the j2ee commercial app server field and I strongly > want tomcat + jboss to be one of the contenders in a year, > > The industry is still focused on the servers and that is not right, we hope > to create a bedrock in open source for integration and ISP deployment, OEM > embedding, bean developers, sys admins, consultants etc etc... i.e. a real > platform. > > we can do it, we need your help, so let's do it... forget the rest, it is > not real. > > Peace Love and Good Code, > > marc > > > ________________ > Marc Fleury, PhD > CTO, Telkel Inc. > ________________ > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
