Yes, I appoligize if sounded harsh..  I just was not seeing the big picture. 
  All I was hearing was the get it to boot off the network story which is 
WAY different from what you need in the embed in an application case.

Regards,
Hiram

>From: "marc fleury" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "Hiram Chirino" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>CC: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] 57 words... and a signature
>Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 01:05:28 -0800
>
> >
>|>>I don't get it..  With the Boot class that I commit you can load all
>|>>of JBoss's jar's off the network.  If footprint is all you care about,
>|>>you wont be able to beat the 7k boot.jar (unoptimized with debug).
>|>>
>|>>I just tested the Boot class out, and it can even boot JBoss 2.4.4
>|>>
>|>>So I don't know why you are killing yourself with providing an API to
>|>>startup JBoss.  The only case I find that helpfull would be in the
>|>>case where you don't want to use the configuration system the jboss
>|>>uses.  Is that really what the embeded market is looking for?  What
>|>>kind of embeded are we talking about?
>
>yeah ok relax... man I stroke one kid and he goes and kicks the other kid.
>
>Dude, "open source management is like managing a heard of cats" will be my
>next unix quote.
>
>The "embedability" not only in "small systems" but also OTHER applications
>is actually important, it means OEM possibilities and other configurations
>(as opposed to command line) and most of the work is done this way by 
>Jason.
>That is actually OK.  The acid test was, "wow kid you are running left and
>right... do you remember what the goal was?" and he did.
>
>So before I start dropping, and liquefying online, I will recommend we all
>take the chill pill, followed by the respect soup, with a hint of "who
>cares" salt-an-peppa, and a desert "it's all for the good of Open Source 
>and
>Free Software, and some crazy jewish guy leaving in a hole in SFO".  wow...
>too much... too fast... kids flying around... Scott, you there?
>
>I must go ski with you dude... you got it right.
>
>marcf
>|>>
>|>>Regards,
>|>>Hiram
>|>>
>|>>
>|>>>From: "marc fleury" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>|>>>To: "Jason Dillon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>|>>>CC: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>|>>>Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] 57 words... and a signature
>|>>>Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 22:08:55 -0800
>|>>>
>|>>>Ok 57 congratulations, although you are a bit skimpy on the how
>|>>>
>|>>>|The embedding changes provides integrators with a simple API to
>|>>>|configure, start and stop JBoss.
>|>>>|It will allow 99% of resources to be loaded off network, leaving the
>|>>>|boot footprint small for
>|>>>|limited devices.
>|>>>
>|>>>this is a valid requirement, I understand it and I see the need, it
>|>>>is a new
>|>>>feature.
>|>>>
>|>>>go right ahead.
>|>>>
>|>>>marcf
>|>>>
>|>>>
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