On 2002.12.14 16:47:48 -0500 wonder sonic wrote: > --- David Jencks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a > écrit : > On 2002.12.14 14:01:45 -0500 wonder sonic > wrote: > > > Well, it's a sort of answer I really appreciate > > > (seriously). However, I think it should be > > detailed. > > > > > > -1- Where should those diagrams reside? in the > > same > > > directories of the java files or in an other > > directory > > > named diagrams (for example). > > > > > > -2- AFAIK, only the ones who have designed the > > > different modules might create the best UML > > diagrams > > > (activity, usecase...). I haven't the impertinence > > to > > > say that I could do that! :) > > > > > > -3- A synchronization problem could occur for the > > > developers who don't have such tools: modification > > of > > > the source code whitout modification of the > > diagrams. > > > > I think this is a really serious problem. > > I also think most developers don't think uml > > diagrams work very well for the kind of > > "meta-programming" done in a lot of the server > > core. > > Could you please explain what you mean by > "meta-programming"?
Basically interceptor based, reflective, or aspect oriented programming techniques. Do you think a uml diagram of say a transaction interceptor or a lock interceptor provides a useful explanation of what it does? I haven't seen any evidence that it does, but am very open to demonstrations. > > > I haven't tried, but would be happy if > > this was demonstrated to be wrong. > > In most cases, UML diagrams could help to communicate > new developments design, explain *quickly* the > dependencies between packages, classes and interfaces, > show the logic of an algorithm... Moreover, the fact > that UML is a graphical language reduces the > explanation of a complex algorithm for example: > - > http://www.visualuml.com/Sample%20Diagrams/Fig%209-1%20Activity%20Diagram.jpg > - > http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/en-us/f_and_m/html/vxfm7_topleveldiagram.gif > - > >http://www.smartdraw.com/resources/centers/flowcharts/images/flowchart_deployment_example.gif Personally I have found uml diagrams sometimes useful in organizing my own thinking but have never been able to communicate any useful ideas using them. > > > > > > > -4- Perhaps some Together project files could be > > > added? > > > > Who is going to keep them in sync? Out of date is > > worse than not there. > > Indeed! In fact, we can consider UML diagrams as a > complement to javadoc. When a development is done, > javadoc should be synchronized with it, UML diagrams > should be synchronized the same way. "Should" covers a lot of territory here. Our javadocs are mostly missing and wrong. I think developers will have to find any such diagram very easy to create and very helpful in their own development process before you will find anyone making or updating them. I suspect this would only take off if the diagrams were the basis of some kind of code generation, such as done with uml2ejb. > The main problem is how can developers update UML > diagrams? An open source tool would be welcome. Thus my suggestion of argo (free, open source)/poseidon (commercial version of the same tool, with free community edition). > > > > > > > -5- I can personnaly create class diagrams for the > > > JBoss modules. What format shall I use? wmf, gif, > > > Together (v6)? > > > > I suggest xmi using argo/poseidon. > > Yes, xmi is a standard for UML diagrams. But they only > are useful to those who can use them with the right > tool. I think an image format could be used too for > those who don't have such tool. again, argo is completely free and poseidon has a free version. They are both pretty lightweight. I'll be interested to see what you come up with. thanks david jencks > > WS > > > > > david jencks > > > > > > WS > > > > > > --- Bill Burke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit : > You > > want > > > it. Do it. > > > > > > > > > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX > > > > Bill Burke > > > > Chief Architect > > > > JBoss Group, LLC > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On > > > > Behalf Of > > > > > wonder sonic > > > > > Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 12:24 PM > > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > Subject: [JBoss-dev] JBoss and UML? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > Looking the source code of the 4.0.0alpha > > version, > > > > > I noticed the presence of Together diagrams in > > the > > > > > jboss.net/testsuite directory. Wouldn't it be > > > > useful > > > > > to add such development documentation (UML > > > > diagrams, > > > > > not only classes diagrams) to other modules? > > > > > > > > > > I think it could help new developers who wish > > to > > > > > contribute. > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > WS > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > > > > > Do You Yahoo!? -- Une adresse @yahoo.fr > > gratuite > > > > et en français ! > > > > > Yahoo! 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