You need to think in a one dimensional world. J2EE = JBOSS ! That is the future, "learn it, live it, love it" A quote from Fast Times at Ridgemont High.
Ben Sabrin Director of Sales and Business Development JBoss Group, LLC 404-467-8555 - office 404-664-9466 - cell 404-948-1496 - fax [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:jboss- > [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Nathan Phelps > Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 2:48 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] JNuke dev > > I would think that we'd want to make this a J2EE application so it can > run on ANY J2EE application server. Therefore, I would elect to go down > a pure J2EE route instead of a JBoss only JMX route. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Ben > Sabrin > Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 1:04 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] JNuke dev > > > Are we developing this for the PHP community or the Java community? Or > more important for the JBoss community? To me it seems that it would > depend on who you are targeting for your user base. If you want to > target the PHP users to bring them to JBoss, then Bill could be right. > If we do not care about the PHP community, we go down the JMX way. I > think the PHP community will never want to do anything with JSP. They > believe they have what they need to be successful and will continue to > innovate in their own circle. For most of the PHP community, what they > have built is scalable to their needs. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:jboss- > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Bill Burke > > Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 1:51 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] JNuke dev > > > > The only negative comment I have in using JMX is that the PHP > community > > may > > have a tough time switching over to Nukes on JBoss if you have to have > a > > package structure like a SAR or a WAR. I hate to say it, but does it > need > > to be "dumbed-down" for the PHP community? This type of community > needs > > to > > be able to edit a JSP and immediately see the change on the webserver. > Is > > it possible to be all JSP based for themes, modules and blocks? You > could > > use a URL fragement and JSP:Include to decide what theme to use. > > > > Just a thought. Maybe JMX and such is the way to go. Just want to > give > > you > > something to think about. > > > > Bill > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > > > julien viet > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 11:31 AM > > > To: SourceForge.net > > > Subject: [JBoss-dev] JNuke dev > > > > > > > > > hi folks, > > > > > > JNuke adventure has started. > > > After analysis of PostNuke I've began the development, still early > > though. > > > > > > I keep everything that's good in PostNuke and throw all the shit > away : > > > > > > modules, blocks, permissions system, url system and themes. > > > > > > JMX is used for PostNuke components : themes, > > > modules and blocks are all JMX mbeans. Here are my reasons : > > > > > > A : general > > > > > > 1.we need a component structure, why not JMX ? after all > > > another forum say that's lightweight. > > > > > > 2.theses components do not have to scale, i.e the number of > modules, > > > blocks and themes is very small. > > > > > > B : for modules > > > > > > 1.Ability to deploy/undeploy when application is running. > > > > > > 2.It's easy to deploy additional modules as a separate deployment > and > > > have them register in the same registry. > > > > > > 3.PostNuke is all about invoking module functions. > > > Url like index.php?module=User&op=register means > > > that the PN must call the method register on module User. > > > For me that means that the servlet retrieves the mbean > > > under the name jnuke:publicmodules:name=User > > > and invokes the operation register(). > > > > > > 4.When a module is installed and configured it plug > > > block mbeans in the JMX. > > > > > > C : for blocks, same reasons as above except 3 and 4 > > > as invocation is typed for 3. > > > > > > D : for themes, same reasons as above except 3 and 4 > > > as invocation is typed for 3. > > > > > > > > > EJB are used for the model : > > > > > > UserEJB, GroupEJB, UserPermissionEJB, UserGroupEJB will > > > be CMP 2.0 beans. We'll use local invocations and same trick as in > > > forum to make them faster. Plus more beans. > > > > > > Each module is made of : > > > > > > 1.ModuleMBean : is the module itself, does not provide > fucntionnalities, > > > it's used to manager the PublicModule. Main operations are > lifecycle > > > (initialize, activate, unactivate, uninitialize) > > > > > > 2.PublicModuleMBean : is created when ModuleMBean activates and is > > > responsible for serving requests. The MBean is dynamic and > operations > > > with no arguments and no returns are served. > > > > > > It's up to the module to do as he wants : if he wants MVC it can, > it > > > it wants to mix HTML and code, it can. First modules won't be MVC > > > as they simply don't need. > > > > > > It's up to the model to have the persistence mecanisms it wants. > First > > > modules will use EJB. With lifecycle operations, each module can > > install > > > itself, for instance : > > > > > > a ModuleMBean is plugged : > > > 1.module configuration, setup of variables > > > 2.initialize : module can creates table, deploy EJB, plugs block. > > > 3.activate : module > > > then go to block admin and creates instances of blocks (if module > > > use blocks), display them on the page. > > > > > > Each block is made of : > > > > > > 1.BlockMBean : manages BlockInstanceMBean. 2.BlockInstanceMBean : > > > is a block instance, it contains a title and a position > > > on web page + 3 operations : display(), edit(), update(). > > > display() : displays the block instance > > > edit() : used to edit the block in block administration > > > update() : used to upate the block in block admin > > > > > > Each them is made of various callbacks that displays HTML on the > page. > > > It has to provide location of files like css, gifs, etc... THe > > > first them I did is made of a servlet that register to JMX and the > > > doGet operation serves the files. It's default theme. To make the > > > thing simpler, it will be possible to make theme with > JSP > > > because I want to keep post nuke spirit. > > > > > > Ideally, even Module and Blocks could be made as JSP of things like > > > > that, that keeps PHP easy to do spirit. > > > > > > I did not thought a lot about permissions. In PostNuke, each module > > > > is responsible for checking security. I know that could be done > > > with AOP but I don't know if it's > > > gonna now, later or never :-) > > > > > > One problem is the configuration persistence. I don't know how our > > > JMX implementation is far there. But if there is a restart, all > > > config must be re-done. JMX persistence > > > will save us there. Even though it's plain file and not JDBC. > > > > > > I will check out later (now it's a true mess), but I can say what > > works : > > > Themes + default theme is done > > > block > > > modules and module invocation. > > > That means that yes, it displays me something that's nice to watch > > > > and I can invoke some operations although it's very early. > > > > > > So now, I am going back to code because time matters. > > > > > > julien > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? -- Une adresse @yahoo.fr gratuite et en frangais ! > > > Yahoo! Mail : http://fr.mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > This SF.NET email is sponsored by: FREE SSL Guide from Thawte are > > > you planning your Web Server Security? 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