"acoliver" wrote : I think many of the things build magic does have been added to Ant. 
 I don't really want Maven.  I'd like to see an ant-only build that does what we need.

.. correct. As far as you ('we' sic!) need. But many customers do not need the 
monolithic download-or-checkout - run build.sh-buildmagic - use-what-you-get cycle. 
Their business is too fast and has to be too flexible to live out of an unknown 
(the-devil-you-know) dark black box.

Your point: it generates services for customizing the build and deploy of so-called 
modules, like JMS only but with persistant messages and transactions.

My point: With a highly configurable and therefore model driven (POM!) build process 
there will be much more service to do. For the customer improvements _and_ for JBoss 
improvements.

BTW: 'build' in my humble point of view means always Test&Build, means always 
developing, driving in production, migrating to the next version as a whole. The 
lifecycle of a _product_ should be the result, not only the sometimes, somewhere 
running binary.

bax

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