To be Seam managed the entity must be loaded with an SMPC (aka EntityManager injected with @In). You don't have to use an SMPC to load the list (in either version) but, if you don't use an SMPC and a conversation, you must implement equals on your entities. I don't think your problem has anything to do with whether your entities are Seam managed. Instead I think it is probably due to using icefaces, which the entityConverter has not had extensive (by the Seam team at least) testing with.
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