On Wed, Jun 05, 2002 at 02:05:23PM -0500, Dan Christopherson wrote:
> Bill Burke wrote:
> >Wahoo!  We're in 4th place now!  Just went ahead Borland.  Next lets shoot
> >for Oracle!!!!
> >
> 
> Or just shoot Oracle. It's ridicilous (spelling error intended) that 
> they get _any_ votes for _any_ product of theirs other than the database.

Why is that? I've used Orion, and it was a nice bit of kit. It was
_far_ easier to configure than JBoss (especially datasource
connections), it started in a respectable fraction of the time that
JBoss started in, and it was fast.

Admittedly, Ironflare are in the curious position of being paid by
Oracle to improve OC4J (a derivative of the Orion codebase) whilst
simultaneously developing Orion itself. It shows: their lack of
suppport for EJB-QL, various parts of the JSP spec (IterationTags,
FWIW) and a couple of other issues dragged me away from it, and it's
here that JBoss really shines.

The other thing that Orion does right is centralised community
support. Take a look at http://www.orionsupport.com/ to see what I
mean. Don't get me wrong, I think JBoss is great, but it's far from
perfect, and the learning curve to start using it was unusually steep
(though the Quickstart guide is enormously useful, if arriving a late
for me ;)

Cheers,

Simon

-- 
There are three kinds of death in this world.  There's heart death,
there's brain death, and there's being off the network.  -- Guy Almes

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