Op 19 dec. 2012, om 11:02 heeft Mathieu Pasquet <mathi...@mathieui.net> het volgende geschreven:
> On 19/12/2012 08:14, David E. Ammouial wrote: >> Hello, >> >> I'm currently switching from Gajim to Empathy (trying it out becomes I'm >> discovering GNOME 3), and as a user I'd like to express a wish to client >> developers: IMHO, clients should store the chat history at the same place. >> >> Gajim, for instance, has taken interesting steps since its beginning. >> Before, everything was stored under $HOME/.gajim and now there's >> .local/share/gajim, .config/gajim and .cache/gajim. Such sweetness is a >> global naming policy change that modern software tend to respect, so >> that there's more consistency (e.g. all local storage goes to .local). >> >> So here, my proposal is to go one step further: I guess .local/share is >> called "share" because it's supposed to host shared resources, not one >> subdirectory per program. Chat history is a good example: a >> .local/share/xmpplogs/ directory would make total sense. >> >> Of course, the exact format would need to be thoughtfully defined, but >> does the goal itself sound reasonable? >> >> (I'm well aware of the efforts to store history on server side, but I >> think local history will still be around for a while.) >> >> Regards. > I’m not sure about having the same location for every clients (conflicts, > concurrent access, and all the fun of shared resources), but a common format > in order to allow easy migrations (copy + paste of the log files) would > indeed be nice. It would also mean that we could have an external, > standardized tool to view the logs. > > As it was mentionned, XEP-0136 introduces a standard for querying and > retrieving message logs, but in order to create a new XEP to specify the file > format of the client logs, we would need to extend its scope. Most clients > nowadays store lots of things in their logs (namely, presences) which are not > mentionned in the XEP (or did I misread?) ; this is especially true for nick > changes in a groupchat. > > Another issue with a standardized file format is that the chosen file format > depends of the goal of the client. E.g gajim, if I’m not mistaken, stores its > logs in a sqlite database, which allows them to have a nice graphical tool > dedicated to query the logs in various ways, and stay efficient. But other > clients (like poezio, or mcabber) have opted for a plain text and file-based > file format, because it keeps the logs human-readable, and less prone to > corruption (and we can still kinda-query it with grep). > > (for reference, you were talking about the freedesktop basedir spec: > http://standards.freedesktop.org/basedir-spec/basedir-spec-latest.html ) > > -- > Mathieu Pasquet (mathieui) > Previous Adium developers set up this proposal[1] for an "official chat log spec". However, I'm not aware of any other client ever showing interest in also supporting it. It has, in my own opinion, a number of drawbacks (for example, some information is only stored in the file paths!), but I want to mention it as a good candidate for a starting point for a common format. Considering the existing differences in clients and the large amounts of logs already existing, it might be a too ambitious goal to have all clients use the same format, but export/import functionality for one common format would already be a good step. Regards Thijs Alkemade [1] = http://trac.adium.im/wiki/XMLLogFormat _______________________________________________ JDev mailing list Info: http://mail.jabber.org/mailman/listinfo/jdev Unsubscribe: jdev-unsubscr...@jabber.org _______________________________________________
