Well said, Panagiotis. Thanks for that. 2015-12-16 12:27 GMT+00:00 PG Stath <[email protected]>:
> Hi all, > This is an interesting point to make, but I don't think that main reasons > are technical. XMPP standards have accomplished an nearly impossible task: > communication among different clients, using different servers. This is an > extremely complicated technical achievement, and its worth our praise. > Some things may should have done differently, while more modern > technologies could be used in some areas. > On the other hand, this has lead to fragmentation of clients and servers, > making a public network difficult to maintain. > However, my understanding is that economic reasons exist as well: > - Do FOSS applications give enough incentives for developers to built the > extremely elegant and complicated UXs that today's end users demand? > - Have ad subsidized IM apps, cannibalized, the end user facing market? > > My impression is that as developers we underestimate the effort and > resources required for building an elegant end user UX. This is not only > that FOSS folks does not care about UX, as some would say, this is also > because building elegant UXs requires tremendous amount of resources. > My 2cents on the current IM state of affairs, > Panagiotis > > > On Sun, Dec 13, 2015 at 5:25 PM, Marcel Waldvogel < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> André, >> >> thank you for your efforts in trying to bring more people to XMPP. I hope >> many here are doing the same. >> >> Among German academic institutions, there is a gentle, but steady push >> forward for XMPP. Besides the weak spot of mobile support, I see two points: >> >> * There are a few steps until XMPP works as desired: >> - The account does not automatically come with the application or vice >> versa >> - Your contacts are not immediately visible and active >> * It is hard to do XMPP hosting >> >> These issues are being addressed, but they have not seen the momentum yet: >> >> * To solve the account/app problem, we (especially Klaus!) have been >> working hard on making XMPP integrated into web applications used e.g. in >> the educational environment with the JSXC JavaScript XMPP Client. Plugins >> for applications ranging from ownCloud to Ilias (e-learning [2]), but also >> SOGo [3] or Diaspora* [4] have been developed to make it easier to >> integrate XMPP into these collaborative applications, many of which follow >> the federation model of XMPP. (The ownCloud and Diaspora* teams have been >> especially supportive, thanks!) >> >> * We are working on easy and automatic ways to sync information from the >> authentication service into group into the roster. >> >> * There is work underway to simplify multi-domain secure hosting using >> DANE or POSH. I hope that client support will start soon. >> >> Yes, it is late, but I don't think it is too late. However, this requires >> the XMPP developer community to start addressing these issues in their >> projects or help other projects achieving this goal. >> >> [1] https://www.jsxc.org >> [2] http://www.ilias.de/ >> [3] http://sogo.nu/ >> [4] https://diasporafoundation.org/ >> -- >> -Marcel Waldvogel <https://me.uni.kn/marcel.waldvogel> >> >> On Sam, 2015-12-12 at 19:48 -0200, >> >> I have been trying to use and to bring more people to use xmpp, but it's >> hard - as you may already know. >> >> I have an email account that integrated our account with a xmpp, and could >> automatically log our conversations in a mail folder. I liked this feature >> a lot, but now it is being abandoned by Fastmail, as anounced in their >> blog. >> >> Their arguments to abandon xmpp seems reasonable. But if I saw and could >> show them any reasonable thing to dissolve their arguments, maybe they >> would keep this feature. And more than that, maybe xmpp would grow instead >> of slowly dying, like I'm seeing it. My view is limited, but even so it is >> bigger than most other people's view that I know. >> >> XMPP does not have mobile clients as good as the variety and quality of PC >> clients. Xabber and Yaxim seems the best one. But they are too limited >> compared with other protocols' clients, and also compared with PC clients, >> as I said. >> >> Google abandoned XMPP, fine. I don't need it as a search engine. There are >> better options, more respectable and without contradictions as time goes >> by. And there are others that are keeping XMPP somehow, but they're >> lacking one basic incentive: give a few reasons for us users to use it! So >> the user number is not kept as small and rare as it is now. >> >> Xabber: needs more developers! Needs improvements. Yaxim also needs it. I >> don't know other clients, but these two are used by a few friends of mine >> (the very few ones who use these client to talk basically only with me - >> that's sad but true!). >> >> Sad thing. But I hope that this list will (maybe, who knows without >> trying) show me some better things than the one of the kind the I >> described a bit above here. >> >> See you around, >> >> André >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> JDev mailing list >> Info: http://mail.jabber.org/mailman/listinfo/jdev >> Unsubscribe: [email protected] >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> JDev mailing list >> Info: http://mail.jabber.org/mailman/listinfo/jdev >> Unsubscribe: [email protected] >> _______________________________________________ >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > JDev mailing list > Info: http://mail.jabber.org/mailman/listinfo/jdev > Unsubscribe: [email protected] > _______________________________________________ > >
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