Tim, I'm about to killfile you, because Greg was right - but because I'm a merciful guy, I'm going to give you a few more chances. (I hate killfiles; they smell like failure to me.)
You really, really need to decide on a different field. If you're unwilling to take on a project because you don't see an immediate solution, this field will kill you, it'll make you unhappy, it'll make you write bad checques. Run for the hills. Learn to dig ditches, learn to play guitar, learn to write mystery novels. Anything else, please. This field is FILLED with people who plod along, praying that the next problem won't kill them -- just like you're doing. Exercises are meant to stretch your skills, not deliver them. Cookbooks deliver you solutions, and look how few people utilize them... and the best cooks don't need them, because every problem is just another thing to solve. If you don't like taking on the challenge, you'll never be among the better (top 67%) of this field, and it's just not worth it. I'm not trying to discourage you, really: maybe if being told you're doomed to incompetence makes you mad enough to break your shell, this will do you some good and I'll be reading about you as a Turing award winner. Somehow, I doubt it, and the opposite effect is what's desired: you'll listen to what I'm saying, nod sadly, say to yourself, "Wow, the people who enjoy that stuff REALLY ENJOY IT, I wish I did," and turn into an EXCELLENT accountant. Based on what you're saying here - jumping to conclusions, poor initiative, fear - you're just not cut out for it, and no matter how well the industry recovers, you'll never be part of the industry in any meaningful manner. Sorry, but that's how it looks to me. I've been trying to hold off judgement for a while, but it's like an ugly cousin - it's just there. >From: "Tim Nicholson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: "JDJList" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "JDJList" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: [jdjlist] RE: what is it like to be a programmer "in the real >world" ? >Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 13:08:04 +1000 > >Yes there are many exercises, but some are for beginners, some are for >intermediate, some are for advanced and all of them do not provide answers >at the end by which you can check your own work and see how things should >be >done. > >I don't like a problem being presented without a solution at hand. Cos if >you don't understand something, then you never learn what the right answer >should be cos there are no solutions given. So I don't like that. > > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "H Shankaranarayanan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "JDJList" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 12:32 PM >Subject: [jdjlist] RE: what is it like to be a programmer "in the real >world" ? > > > > Is there some problem with the list? everyone else also getting multiple >copies? > > Tim i am begining to wonder if you ever tried your hand at coding. >People >have > > given you so many options of approaching your exercises and you now want >to know > > wot members of this list do at their jobs. > > Start from scratch no way you can jump the line. So many books around >from > > beginners to expert level with lots of exercises.That was how i learnt. >Just a > > suggestion,take it or leave it. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jason Bell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 6:48 AM > > To: JDJList > > Subject: [jdjlist] RE: what is it like to be a programmer "in the real > > wor ld" ? > > > > > > try this for starters, we all did. :) > > > > > > public class HelloWorld { > > public static void main(String[] args) { > > System.out.println("Hello World!"); > > } > > } > > > > My next program was on raw network sockets..... a few sleepless night I >have > > to admit. > > > > Jase > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Tim Nicholson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: 26 September 2002 15:35 > > To: JDJList > > Subject: [jdjlist] RE: what is it like to be a programmer "in the real > > wor ld" ? > > > > > > Can you please give some examples of the kind of code you write in your >job > > so that I can see if it is stuff that I am likely to be able to >understand > > and grasp ? > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jeff Fisher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "JDJList" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 10:41 PM > > Subject: [jdjlist] RE: what is it like to be a programmer "in the real >wor > > ld" ? > > > > > > > I thought about this for a while, and it's not an easy answer. A lot > > > depends on where you work. If you are not lucky, then you get stuck > > > programming in a language you hate and your life can be a living hell. >On > > > the other hand, if you work for a good company, then life is pretty >good. > > > For instance I work at a company that is medium to small (200 >employees) > > but > > > has money. I'm the technical lead, but also our architect. I get to >wear > > > multiple hats which makes my job interesting and I try to keep our > > > programmers interested by having them learn knew technology along the >way. > > > > > > In general, programming in the real world means your ass is on the >line > > > because you're expected to perform at a certain competency level. I > > mentor > > > our junior programmers, but I also expect a lot out of them. If you > > always > > > write crappy code, eventually you'll be called on the carpet or given > > really > > > weak assignments. > > > > > > You also need to leave your ego at the door. That was the hardest >thing > > for > > > me to do when I first started. After a while I saw the light. It >doesn't > > > take too long when you have to work on someone's poorly documented, > > > obfuscated, hacked up POS code. > > > > > > Programming in the real world is pressure. It seems like there is >always > > > some unrealistic deadline set by some marketing person or a vp -- >"It's > > > vital to our business". User's never know what they want, they only >know > > > that what you gave them was not it and they all think they are the >only > > ones > > > with a problem. And anyone who has ever gone through a major > > implementation > > > can tell you, those suck beyond belief. > > > > > > On the other hand, you get to do a job that's like nothing else. >You're > > > part of a community that the rest of the company just can't fathom. >You > > can > > > tend to get away with things others don't, especially if you're good. >I > > go > > > ride my bicycle two hours a day in the middle of the day. Nobody says >a > > > thing because it keeps me sane, and my work never suffers. A number >of > > our > > > programmers keep some odd hours but as long as the work gets done, >nobody > > > minds much. > > > > > > From a purely technical standpoint programs written in the real world >are > > > vastly more complex than what you'll write in high school and college. > > > However, the basic structure of the programs is still the same. It's >just > > > that the programs themselves are larger and more complex. > > > > > > Jeff > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Tim Nicholson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 7:18 AM > > > To: JDJList > > > Subject: [jdjlist] what is it like to be a programmer "in the real > > > world" ? > > > > > > > > > And to Joseph or anyone else who would like to answer:- > > > > > > Can you possibly tell me what it is like to be a programmer (in I >assume > > the > > > Java language) in the real world ? What I mean really by that is, what > > sort > > > of code do you write in your job ? I assume you are working as a >computer > > > programmer ? > > > > > > So what sort of code do you produce and work with in your job ? And is > > this > > > difficult code ? Would I find it difficult to understand and work with >? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Joseph B. Ottinger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: "JDJList" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 8:12 PM > > > Subject: [jdjlist] Re: two exercises I am trying to solve at the > > moment.... > > > > > > > > > > RE: [jdjlist] Re: J2MEWell, Tim, the first step is to read the > > suggestions > > > > made by your coursework. Start small; write functions that do the >simple > > > > stuff first. Break the problems down (although most of the work has >been > > > > done for you already.) Man, these questions have gotten easier since >*I* > > > was > > > > in grade 9. > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Tim Nicholson > > > > To: JDJList > > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 4:09 AM > > > > Subject: [jdjlist] two exercises I am trying to solve at the >moment.... > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi everyone again, > > > > > > > > this is in addition to the previous email that I sent but this is on >a > > > > rather different topic. > > > > > > > > I am trying to work through some problems/exercises and I was >wondering > > if > > > > anyone might be able to suggest how I might be able to solve these > > > problems > > > > ? > > > > > > > > Like I said before, this email is on a different topic to the email >that > > I > > > > sent before. > > > > > > > > The 1st problem I was wondering if anyone could help me on is as >follows > > > :- > > > > > > > > >======================================================================== > > > > > > > > Design and implement a program that allows the user to input a >number >in > > > any > > > > base (2..16) as a string of digits (0..9, A..F) and the base that >the > > > number > > > > is in and displays the value in decimal of the input number. > > > > Your program must have two function methods that respectively >return: > > > > the value of one digit character; and > > > > the value of a whole string of digits in a given base. > > > > Hint: The first of those functions makes it easier to write the >second. > > > > Your program may have a BreezySwing or text-only interface > > > > > > > > >======================================================================== > > > > >======================================================================== > > > > And the second one is like this :- > > > > >======================================================================= > > > > Write a program that allows the user to input any int value and >outputs > > > that > > > > number in words. > > > > Examples: > > > > inputoutput > > > > 0zero > > > > 3three > > > > 13thirteen > > > > 23twenty-three > > > > 223223two hundred and twenty-three thousand, two hundred and > > twenty-three > > > > 223223223two hundred and twenty-three million, two hundred and > > > twenty-three > > > > thousand, two hundred and twenty-three > > > > >2147483647two billion, one hundred and forty-seven million, four > > hundred > > > > and eighty-three thousand, six hundred and forty-seven > > > > -1minus one > > > > > > > > Your program must have three function methods that respectively >return: > > > > a value between 1 and 9 in words; > > > > a value between 1 and 999 in words; and > > > > any int value in words. > > > > Hint: The first of those functions makes it easier to write the >second > > and > > > > writing the second will help write the third. > > > > Good solutions may have even more functions. > > > > > > >========================================================================= > > > > >======================================================================== > > > > I really don't have a clue how to solve these so any help as to what > > sort > > > of > > > > algorithm and java code implementation that I could use, would be >very > > > much > > > > appreciated. > > > > > > > > > > > > To change your JDJList options, please visit: > > > > http://www.sys-con.com/java/list.cfm > > > > > > > > To change your JDJList options, please visit: > > > http://www.sys-con.com/java/list.cfm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To change your JDJList options, please visit: > > > http://www.sys-con.com/java/list.cfm > > > > > > To change your JDJList options, please visit: > > http://www.sys-con.com/java/list.cfm > > > > > > > > To change your JDJList options, please visit: > > http://www.sys-con.com/java/list.cfm > > > > > > To change your JDJList options, please visit: > > http://www.sys-con.com/java/list.cfm > > > > > > To change your JDJList options, please visit: >http://www.sys-con.com/java/list.cfm > > > >______________________________________________ >To change your JDJList options, please visit: >http://www.sys-con.com/java/list.cfm ----------------------------------------------- Joseph B. 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