||| Like for example, my first taste of java was rather sour 
||| because I was using texts that actually were not very good 
||| ones (Bishop -- "Java Gently" and Deitel and Deitel -- 
||| "Java: How To Program")

well before I go and write off D&D Tim, I would look at them again if I were
you.  You probably were missing a fundamental step that wasn't allowing you
to understand the text.  It is a very good suite of books.

As for getting to Java myself; I have to admit it was just a weekend
exercise.  I had a strong background in C++/Ada and knew my objects pretty
well ... so really ... most of the weekend was just learning the new syntax
of Java ... at the end of the day, picking up a language is easy; its
knowing what to solve is the hard bit.

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