I didn't mean to kick up this much of a shit storm!
People have their opinions but we need to move forward to reach a decision
of which there is not one solution that meets everyone's requirements.
What is the next steps here?
- Do we vote on the following options:
1. Support the current and previous verions of the Oracle JDK
2. Support the JDKs that Oracle support
3. do nothing and stick with Java6.
- Is this something for the governance board to decide at the next
meeting?
/James
On Wednesday, 25 March 2015 10:53:31 UTC, Stephen Connolly wrote:
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> On 25 March 2015 at 09:20, Nigel Magnay <[email protected] <javascript:>
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>>> JDK7 is end of life after April 2015, so in May 2015 if we pick the
>>> second model then we would be JDK8.... but the LTS released in late April
>>> will have been JDK7 and JDK8... as technically only at then end of April is
>>> JDK7 EOL.
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>>> The advantage of the second model is that the July LTS will be JDK8
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>> So it could be there's some confusion around "LTS", as the wiki says it
>> follows the ubuntu model, but is it really the same?
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> No I don't think it is even close to the same
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>> I.E: If I use Ubuntu 14.10, I'll basically get updates for 9 months,
>> after which if I want a fix, I'll have to flip to 15.04 (There's an
>> overlap).
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>> If I want stability, I pick an LTS version (released every 2 years) -
>> 14.04 LTS - which is supported for *5 years. *It gets no new features in
>> that time, but it does receive updates (indeed we're up to 14.04.2 already).
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>> So ubuntu is a release every 6 months, an LTS release every 2 years, with
>> LTS 'support' for 5 years.
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>> Jenkins is a release ~every week, an LTS release every 12 weeks, with LTS
>> 'support' for 12 weeks.
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> That is all that the community has stepped up to deliver. I have no issue
> if the community wants to put effort into maintaining older LTS lines in
> addition to the current LTS, but that is something that the community needs
> to decide.
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>> 12 weeks seems like a very short period of 'support'. Trying to put
>> myself in the shoes of 'corporate IT world', isn't that saying that if I
>> build my infra (and JDK) around Jenkins 1.xxx.1 - I'll get only 12 weeks
>> grace before the possibility that a security fix might mean I need to
>> change my JDK ?
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> The 'corporate IT world' would really want a 10 year cycle if it could get
> it ;-)
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>> Now - I am perfectly comfortable with that (indeed we step our
>> environment to match the Jenkins LTS editions), but I can see that a
>> side-effect might be those with conservative environments trying hard to
>> make sure that when the 'version with the fix' comes around, basically
>> trying torpedo JDK8 or anything else.
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> Which is why I think going for JDK7 now is a better plan than trying to
> jump all the way to JDK8
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>> I'm also perfectly comfortable with the possibility that if you need
>> Jenkins 1.xxx.(n>3), then you obtain those by either contributing the
>> backporting effort yourself, or having a maintenance contract with
>> Cloudbees|A.N.Other that does it for you.
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