I'd like to be part of the test. On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 2:28 PM 'Gavin Mogan' via Jenkins Developers < jenkinsci-dev@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> The tech it uses can give you pretty live updates, but its designed as a > forum. > > I've sent you a DM on IRC with an invite link for now. > > > > On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 1:08 PM Slide <slide.o....@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I would like access please. Just a question, as I am very unfamiliar with >> Discourse. Is it a real time communication medium, a la IRC, or something >> more akin to a forum? >> >> On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 11:57 AM 'Olblak' via Jenkins Developers < >> jenkinsci-dev@googlegroups.com> wrote: >> >>> For whoever is interested to participate to the Discourse project, >>> we started discussing over there as a way to test it and get more >>> familiar with the tool. >>> -> https://community.jenkins.io/t/discussion-about-categories/27/12 >>> >>> Feel free to request an access as I didn't have the time yet to really >>> investigate the consequences of the different authentication methods. >>> >>> On Tue, May 25, 2021, at 8:46 PM, 'Olblak' via Jenkins Developers wrote: >>> > Hi Bruce, >>> > >>> > Thank you for stepping up, you already provided a lot of information >>> > here. >>> > And let's not assume we all know everything about discourse as we >>> > definitely don't. >>> > As you are interested to help with this project, I'll send you an >>> > invite to "community.jenkins.io". >>> > >>> > As long as we don't have an agreement on the authentication mechanism, >>> > I'll work on invite-only. >>> > >>> > Regarding identifying what we expected from Discourse, Bruce made a >>> > good statement that discourse is what we want it to be, so here what I >>> > would like it to solve. >>> > I would like to easily identify and participate in discussion about >>> > topics that interested me across different sub-project. So as an >>> > initial step, Oleg suggestion seems right to me. >>> > >>> > On my side, I'll investigate the different authentication options. >>> > Today during the infrastructure Oleg made a good remark, we would >>> like >>> > to ideally move away from maintaining our Ldap service and we would >>> > like to offer more alternatives than just using a Github account so >>> > maybe using Linux foundation accounts would be better. >>> > >>> > >>> > On Tue, May 25, 2021, at 7:16 PM, Matt Sicker wrote: >>> > > Ha, so I was. Oops! >>> > > >>> > > On Tue, 25 May 2021 at 10:32, 'Gavin Mogan' via Jenkins Developers >>> > > <jenkinsci-dev@googlegroups.com> wrote: >>> > > > >>> > > > Matt. It's often a confusion point. Discourse is more like a >>> form/mailing list type thing. Discord is realtime communication. Sounds >>> like your describing discord. >>> > > > >>> > > > On Tue., May 25, 2021, 6:52 a.m. Matt Sicker, <boa...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> > > >> >>> > > >> I’ve never used Discourse outside of video games, but it seems >>> easier to set up public communities on than Slack or other things we’ve >>> tried here so far. While in theory I’d prefer something open like Matrix, I >>> do agree that we should try to minimize the number of services to maintain >>> ourselves. >>> > > >> >>> > > >> On Tue, May 25, 2021 at 07:45 Oleg Nenashev < >>> o.v.nenas...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> Hi all, >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> Thanks to Olivier for starting this discussion and for >>> confirming sponsorship for Discourse. This is definitely something we could >>> use to address the current sprawl of Jenkins communication channels. Many >>> channels like User Mailing list, some SIG mailing lists and many Gitter >>> channels could be replaced by discourse. So I am +1 for starting evaluation. >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> > 2) Configure the right level of Categories, as a first >>> iteration I would like to focus on Jenkins users but we could extend it to >>> Jenkins contributors as well. >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> As Bruce said above, setting up a proper structure and >>> moderation process is essential to the success of Discourse. Before we make >>> it official, we should try it out and see how to better structure the >>> communication channels. IMHO any interested contributor with Discourse >>> expertise is welcome to participate in this effort. And thanks for stepping >>> up Bruce! >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> My notes: >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> I would recommend creating categories for SIGs, sub-projects and >>> outreach programs right away. >>> > > >>> It would be great to create generic categories like "Jenkins >>> Pipeline" or "Jenkins on Kubernetes". Plugins structure should be secondary >>> there >>> > > >>> Some plugins and components may need sub-categories. Likely >>> these would be tool integration plugins (e.g. "Git plugins") >>> > > >>> TBD: Creating a Governance category? It is feasible, but I am >>> not sure how dit aligns with the current open governance approach through >>> this mailing list and meetings >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> I am happy to be a guinea pig for some of the categories if >>> needed. >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> > 1) Delegating authentication to a third service, Github, >>> keycloak, LDAP, etc... My preferred approach would be to rely on Github >>> SSO to authenticate with the tool. But we could still use our Jenkins >>> account. >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> I am -1 for using the Jenkins account. Last year we agreed that >>> we want to move away from running our own user identity, and I believe it >>> was a right decision. One of the interesting options would be using the >>> Linux Foundation SSO so that the forum is aligned with the Linux Foundation >>> identities. If technically feasible, this would be my preference. >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> Best regards, >>> > > >>> Oleg Nenashev >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> P.S: My personal experience with forums is very limited. Fun >>> fact about me: I was moderating a Lineage clan forum for a year or so. No, >>> no further comments :P >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> On Tuesday, May 25, 2021 at 11:38:58 AM UTC+2 bruce...@gmail.com >>> wrote: >>> > > >>>> >>> > > >>>> Hi all. >>> > > >>>> >>> > > >>>> long time lurker, but this is my time to speak up. I have >>> maintained many instances of Jenkins, and just as many instances of >>> Discourse - most recent one is defined here : >>> https://github.com/EGI-Federation/community.egi.eu (I have since moved >>> on). >>> > > >>>> >>> > > >>>> It is imho the right choice for this, but there are good ways >>> to use it and better ways to use it. Beyond putting my vote for what it's >>> worth behind this decision, I would also like to volunteer my time where >>> possible to help setting up and moderating, etc. >>> > > >>>> Happy to help in whatever way. >>> > > >>>> >>> > > >>>> Thanks, >>> > > >>>> Bruce >>> > > >>>> >>> > > >>>> On Tuesday, May 25, 2021 at 11:02:15 AM UTC+2 Olblak wrote: >>> > > >>>>> >>> > > >>>>> Hi Everybody, >>> > > >>>>> >>> > > >>>>> I am really glad to share that "Civilized Discourse >>> Construction Kit, Inc", the company behind Discourse >>> > > >>>>> offered to sponsor the Jenkins project with the business "tier" >>> > > >>>>> -> https://www.discourse.org/pricing >>> > > >>>>> >>> > > >>>>> This is a very nice opportunity to "organize" discussions >>> happening across the community. >>> > > >>>>> Different people have different expectations so feel free to >>> raise your voice and share your ideas. >>> > > >>>>> >>> > > >>>>> What we want to achieve is better communication with the >>> Jenkins community, at the moment a lot of valuable information is lost in >>> the various mailing list, Gitter, IRC, etc. >>> > > >>>>> By using Discourse it would allow to centralize questions in >>> one place and regroup them by categories >>> > > >>>>> >>> > > >>>>> At this stage, we are still in exploratory mode, so if you >>> have any experience with the tool or just want to help >>> > > >>>>> feel free to reach out so I can send you an invite. >>> > > >>>>> The discourse will be one of the topics for today's >>> infrastructure meeting. >>> > > >>>>> >>> > > >>>>> The service is available on "https://community.jenkins.io". >>> > > >>>>> >>> > > >>>>> The next steps are: >>> > > >>>>> >>> > > >>>>> 1) Delegating authentication to a third service, Github, >>> keycloak, LDAP, etc... >>> > > >>>>> >>> > > >>>>> My preferred approach would be to rely on Github SSO to >>> authenticate with the tool. 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