Hello Ed,
Do you have an approximate idea how much text text annalyzer will cover
before it crashes ? Could one simply turn it off prior to that point, and
turn it on again?
Cheers Kevin.
-----Original Message-----
From: Ed Marquette via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 10:56 PM
To: 'Tim Ford' ; 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: [Access STEM] Help with study on helpingblind persons
independently format documents
OK
Track Changes are challenging. One, however, can manage.
The problem with the standard JAWS techniques is that they are flawed.
The quick keys function works best, but in a long document, JAWS just gives
up and says there are no more changes when, in fact, I know there are more.
The created dialog box (Windows Key plus semicolon) sometimes causes even a
fast PC to grind and grind. After all that, JAWS will just give up.
Here is the best technique I've found.
Don't use JAWS to find revisions.
Word itself has a function for finding "next revision." Find that on the
ribbon, press the applications key, and assign it to the quick access tool
bar. In my case, Alt-3 jumps to the next revision. The main downfall is
that this technique also finds comments (and puts you inside them). Getting
out of comments is a bear, but that's another seminar.
Once Word has actually found the revision, use the arrow keys. JAWS won't
accurately tell you much unless track changes is turned on. Then, be sure,
in the quick settings menu, you turn on "count and insertions and
deletions." You can also turn on author and date. That can sometimes be
helpful.
When you navigate by character, JAWS actually is pretty accurate in
identifying what has been inserted and what has been deleted. Of course,
this would be a painful way to review a hole document. That's why I use the
word function to locate the revisions.
Font and formatting changes can be an annoyance if you are just looking for
substance. Sometimes, if I am getting a revised document from an adverse
party, I just want to know if all the changes were, in fact, made or shown.
Then, I use Legal Blackline to compare the documents. Then, I can turn off
format changes to reduce the clutter.
Also, I like to switch the view to "Draft" instead of "Print" when reviewing
extensively track changed documents.
I'm an attorney, and I cannot afford to miss a change. The techniques above
work, though they can be tedious
Another tool to consider is a product called DeltaView. DeltaView actually
compares two documents, and you can ignore how Word shows the changes,
picking your own. For example, set insert to blue and delete to red. Set
moved text to italics. To be really, absolutely clear, you can enclose
deleted text with characters such as braces {} or less than greater than
symbols <>.
You can also number the changes. This can be helpful if you want to
identify and explain a change. The numbering also helps because you can
search through the document looking for changes (both insertions and
deletions) by searching for the "DeltaView ChangeNumber" style.
Now, how to search for styles in a Word document is yet another seminar.
Sorry for the long message.
Remember, you can change the view between "Final" and "Final Showing
Mark-Up" to make sure your final document looks right. Believe me, even for
sighted colleagues, track changes can be messy. By switching to "Final," I
often find changes sighted colleagues miss.
I agree that JAWS could do a better job. Except for WindowEyes (which came
late to the game with track changes), the others don't even try (as of the
last time I checked).
-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Tim Ford via
Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 9:57 PM
To: Artur Räpp; The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: [AccessSTEM] Help with study on helping blind persons
independently format documents
There is a JAWS command, Windows key plus ;, and that brings up a box with
four choices, revisions being one of them. Press enter, and JAWS sets up a
very handy list box separately showing each revision. Each has a link that
takes you directly to that portion of the document. This is probably the
same as that described below, the only difference being how you get to that
point.
-----Original Message-----
From: Artur Räppvia Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 7:35 PM
To: 'Gudrun Brunot' ; 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: [AccessSTEM] Help with study on helpingblind persons
independently format documents
Hello
I use JAWS quick keys for track changes (jaws key+z, then r) With this
command I can move from one change to an other and JAWS reads it.
HTH
Artur
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From: Jfw [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Gudrun Brunot
via Jfw
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 11:47 PM
To: 'Hamid Hamraz'; 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: [AccessSTEM] Help with study on helping blind persons
independently format documents
Dear Lourdes: This is such a valuable endeavor. I have hair-raising examples
I could sent you, only, it would be illegal. I am a translator, and I
occasionally get assignments that involve working with track changes. We're
not just talking about someone deleting something that I wrote and replaced
it with another word. I'm talking about a text that another person
generated. The document was then translated. The originator decided to make
changes to the original. This revised document was submitted to the
translator, so he would apply the changes to the second version of the
target document. This was sent to me--that is, both the original document
with the originator's revisions, plus the second version of the translated
documents, with the revisions applied--we hope. My job was to be comparing
these two latest documents and make sure all the revisions had been applied.
In theory, there are ways of dealing with revisions in JAWS. You will hear
JAWS say "revision" as you read the text line by line, but there is nothing
that really shows exactly when a deletion starts/ends, when an insertion
starts/ends, and so on. Not to speak of deleted/inserted spaces. If you go
over the line character by character, you have some chance of seeing start
and end, but it gets hairy indeed if the revisions stretch over several
lines or pages. Changed formats are another headache. I have sent a letter
to Freedom Scientific, actually to one of its trainer, proposing that there
be settings in the braille display preferences to not only show that there
is an attribute (dots 7-8), but to differentiate them--dot 7 for deletions
or strike-through which is actually a font option as well, and dot 8 for
insertion. Trouble is, insertion is not a font option, so that has to be set
up in some other way.
Sound could also be used. I'd love an ascending piano two-note plink for
"start insertion" and a descending one for "end insertion." A two-part click
for "start deletion" and a reverse one for "end deletion". That could be a
sound scheme, and it should work whether you're reading the text from
beginning to end, line by line, word by word, etc.
So, I'm sorry I can't send you the documents from hell--they would be truly
fantastic examples of how things do not work for us. I asked the agency if I
could use them, and the answer was nope.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Hamid Hamraz
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Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 10:29 PM
To: JFW; [email protected]
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Fw: [AccessSTEM] Help with study on helping blind persons
independently format documents
Sorry folks if this is off-topic, but it will potentially be helpful to
all blind people.
----- Original Message -----
From: Lourdes Morales Villaverde
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 8:51 PM
Subject: [AccessSTEM] Help with study on helping blind persons
independentlyformat documents
Greetings,
I'm part of a group of researchers from the University of California, Santa
Cruz. We are investigating ways in which tools may assist blind people with
tasks related to document formatting, and as a first step we need to gather
information about document formatting practices, errors and barriers of
blind persons. To do this, we need to collect a large number and variety of
documents that were created and formatted by blind persons (with at most
light perception) without help from sighted persons.
Please help us by providing your documents. As this is a National Science
Foundation study, we follow a strict rule of maintaining your and your
documents’ confidentiality and destroying documents after the study is
finished.
We will run a draw for two $50 Amazon gift certificate as a token of
appreciation for those who provide us with at least 5 documents created with
any word processor (Microsoft Word, Apple Pages, etc.). Please only send us
documents that are at least 3 pages long.
If you are interested in helping us, please email your documents to
[email protected]. Also, if you know someone who fits the criteria and might
be interested in helping us, please forward this email. We really appreciate
your help.
Thank you for you time.
Best regards,
--
Lourdes M. Morales Villaverde
Computer Science Ph.D. Student
Interactive Systems for Individuals with Special Needs Lab Baskin School of
Engineering University of California, Santa Cruz
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