Here's the long and the short of it. You're not going to get a screen reader that can read you what happens before the point of hard drive access on any BIOS based machine, because it's not set up for that. It doesn't matter if it's Jaws, Window Eyes, NVDA, or Narrator, it's not going to happen. Microsoft could set up Narrator to activate if needed early on, but this won't happen before the install sets up the audio resources, because it won't have anything to play through. That said you've been able to script Windows at least since 3.1, so it's possible, if you know the hardware you're setting it up on, to do an installation with no human intervention so that the first time you need to do anything is when you get to a functional desktop. (And no, I don't have the details on such scripting for later versions, as I haven't needed it, as I find myself doing a reinstall of an OS about every four years or so, not constantly like some folks do -- I'm careful with my OS) So having narrator or Jaws or any other screen reader support during an install is sort of a non-issue, which is good because before a certain point there would be absolutely no way that a screen reader would work because it'd have nothing to play through. Smart phones and Apple computers get around this by not using a BIOS setup, and that may be something that happens with Windows based machines in the future, but for now it's about as likely as you finding a stray Higgs boson in your pants pocket or purse.
> -----Original Message----- > From: Jfw [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Aidan via > Jfw > Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 3:08 PM > To: Nermin; The Jaws for Windows support list. > Subject: Re: Fully Functional Screen Reader Petition > > There might be difficulties with pre install implementations of > narrator, but at the end of the day, Microsoft have no excuse, we must > have a full build in screenreader. And this should be even law. They > mest up enough with windows8 and to make windows10 scriptable as I've > heard is not good enough. They should even change the way the registry > works where possible. They expect everybody to be I t gurus. I have to > pay for jaws 16 but I don't do it with a smile. And I simply do it > because if I don't, then when I really need to upgrade then you going > to pay to much. That is all that is expected of blind people. Just to > pay what we don't have, to be who we are not and so on. I will move to > mac, even if it take me 10 years or longer. > > On 21/01/2015, Nermin via Jfw <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi, > > > > please note that Window Eyes 9.0 is out. > > You can download it and try it with Office 2010 and above for free. > > They redid most of their Internet acces, and other stuff. > > > > Regards, > > Nermi > > > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > > From: Soronel Haetir via Jfw > > Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 3:09 PM > > To: Michael Malver ; The Jaws for Windows support list. > > Subject: Re: Fully Functional Screen Reader Petition > > > > It would be fairly difficult for narrator to be implemented in such a > > way that a complete install would be possible for us. For instance > > with the HP computers I have now in order to do a install or reset to > > factory I have to use a boot screen menu that is present well before > > windows runs at all. > > > > On 1/21/15, Michael Malver via Jfw <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I wonder if the issue isn't the screen reader, but how it is > implemented. > >> Put another way, could narrator allow us to install windows, if it > >> were implemented slightly differently. This would allow us to have > >> the installation ability that you get with Apple, but at the same > >> time, Microsoft wouldn't have to commit to a full screen reader. > >> > >> > >>> On Jan 20, 2015, at 11:39 AM, Adrian Spratt via Jfw > >>> <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> > >>> You may not want to start a discussion, but posting a link to this > >>> petition inevitably does just that. I worry that if MS came up with > >>> anything close to Apple's VoiceOver, employers would assume basic > >>> accessibility requirements have been met without the added cost of > >>> buying and updating JAWS. As good as VoiceOver may be, and despite > >>> our periodic frustrations with FS, JAWS is exclusively tailored to > >>> the needs of visually impaired computer users. I dread the day MS > >>> takes on this job and elbows FS out. > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: Jfw [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > Nermin > >>> via Jfw > >>> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 11:53 AM > >>> To: The Jaws for Windows support list. > >>> Subject: Fully Functional Screen Reader Petition > >>> > >>> Hi all, > >>> > >>> I consider this a very important petition, however, I do not wish > to > >>> start a discussion on whether or not this will do away with > >>> blindness products, the attempt as such will fail, or any other > >>> messages of a similar nature. > >>> > >>> Someone started a petition calling on Microsoft to incorporate a > >>> real screen reader into Windows 10. > >>> This should include maintenance and installing capabilities. > >>> The link is here: > >>> https://windows.uservoice.com/forums/265757-windows-feature- > suggesti > >>> ons/suggestions/6942363-add-a-native-fully-functional-screen- > reader- > >>> to-wi > >>> > >>> Share this with friends and family, on Facebook or Twitter. > Anywhere > >>> you feel might give the necessary votes. > >>> > >>> Voting is easy, and you do not even need to provide an e-mail > address. > >>> > >>> Regards, > >>> > >>> Nermin > >>> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was > >>> scrubbed... > >>> URL: > >>> <http://lists.the-jdh.com/pipermail/jfw_lists.the- > jdh.com/attachment > >>> s/20150120/5438301e/attachment.html> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Jfw mailing list > >>> [email protected] > >>> http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Jfw mailing list > >>> [email protected] > >>> http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Jfw mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com > >> > > > > > > -- > > Soronel Haetir > > [email protected] > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jfw mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jfw mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com > > > > > -- > Facebook: m.facebook.com/aidan.maher92 > Skype: andries4451 > Twitter: smarttalk7 > Audioboo: www.audioboo.com/DjSpotlight > > _______________________________________________ > Jfw mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list [email protected] http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com
