Carolyn, On this list email, replying directly to sender does not work. If you read the "TO:" field after pressing Insert+Shift+R you will hear that it's still going to the jfw list.
Dave Carlson Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and pioneer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn Arnold via Jfw" <[email protected]> To: "Greg Nickel via Jfw" <[email protected]> Cc: "Carolyn Arnold" <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 05:25 PM Subject: Re: PDF documents You are welcome. I intended for that to go off list; hope this does. I forgot to tell you that you lay your forefinger in the stimulator array and use your right hand to maneuver the camera. There are two adjusting knobs just above the stimulator array, the lower to adjust the thickness or thinness of the material and the upper one to adjust the intensity of the vibrations. In the back of it, there is a switch to reverse background and image. Remember, life is what you make it, Carolyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Nickel via Jfw" <[email protected]> To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <[email protected]> Cc: "Greg Nickel" <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 6:29 PM Subject: RE: PDF documents > Thanks Carolyn. I'll check it out. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jfw [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Carolyn > Arnold > via Jfw > Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 3:17 PM > To: Greg Nickel via Jfw > Cc: Carolyn Arnold > Subject: Re: PDF documents > > Greg, Optacon stands for optical to tacticle converter. I use the Optacon > R1D. It is an electronic device which is about the size of a text book. In > back of the machine is either a charger cord or just an electrical cord, > if > you have one without batteries. The machine is encased in a leather case > that snaps open and shut. > > In front of it, there is a cable on it that feels sort of like a heavy > duty > headset cable. At the end of this approximately 18 > inch long cable is a camera that is about the size of a pocket knife. > There > is a little knob at the top of the camera, so that the user can adjust it > to > > accommodate print size. > > Inside the main body of the Optacon toward the right side, as the device > faces you, there is a sort of metallic area that is about maybe an inch > across by two inches in length. This is called the stimulator array, and > it > contains 144 pins in six rows of 24pens. These > pins vibrate, as the shutter photographs the character where the camera is > place. So the user has a vibrating image of a printed letter, line, as in > a > 9 x 12 room. In such a situation, different maneuvering of the camera is > required rather than reading across a straight line of printed material. > > The device is a life saver for reading items like utility bills, getting > slip in window envelope correctly, checking to see if a pen writes, then > checking signature, checking to see the number on a check, and I could go > on > and on. > > The Optacon is 70's technology. There is an Optacon Users' group: > > [email protected] > > It is a good idea to place maybe a telephone book across a page that maybe > you printed from the computer, so that you would be familiar with the > material to start to learn to read. If you don't know the print alphabet, > you could type it on the computer, one line in caps and one not in caps, > as > well as a line with numbers and then punctuations, followed by writing > what > the punctuation mark represents. If you know print, of course, that will > make > it easier. It takes some practice, which can be taxing to build the skill > needed to use the Optacon, but it is well worth the energy investment. > > I will also give you information to where you can look into buying one, > and > the man will answer any questions. He is very well thought of by Optacon > users. His name is Richard Oehm. > > [email protected] > > Richard Oehm > > Oehm Electronics > > 2194C Galveston Avenue > > San Jose, California 95122-3617 > > Telephone: (408) 971-6250 > > Fax: (408) 271-9188 > > > > Feel free to contact me further in this regard, and I would encourage you > to > > join the Optacon Users' list, which, by the way, has been very quiet > lately. > > Perhaps you could scan some of the archives. > > > > Remember, life is what you make it, > > Carolyn > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Greg Nickel via Jfw" <[email protected]> > To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <[email protected]> > Cc: "Greg Nickel" <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 4:45 PM > Subject: RE: PDF documents > > >> Hi Carolyn >> >> Can you tell me more about the Opticon and how it works for you? Happy >> to >> chat off forum at [email protected] >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jfw [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Carolyn >> Arnold >> via Jfw >> Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 1:14 PM >> To: The Jaws for Windows support list. >> Cc: Carolyn Arnold >> Subject: Re: PDF documents >> >> With an Optacon, I can read floor plans. >> >> Remember, life is what you make it, >> >> Carolyn >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Greg Nickel via Jfw" <[email protected]> >> To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <[email protected]> >> Cc: "Greg Nickel" <[email protected]> >> Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 3:24 PM >> Subject: RE: PDF documents >> >> >>> Can you tell me if JAWS 16converts the pictures into text boxes on the >>> Word >>> doc? >>> >>> On the idea of conveying a picture other than visually, I could see a >>> tactile display coming in handy is for technical drawings like >>> architectural >>> or >>> otherwise that are line based drawings. >>> >>> I do a lot of work with architectural and for now I have someone draw >>> over >>> the lines with a vinyl tactile marking tube. Any other ideas that might >>> be >>> better? >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Jfw [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted >>> (CHFS DMS) via Jfw >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 12:18 PM >>> To: The Jaws for Windows support list. >>> Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) >>> Subject: RE: PDF documents >>> >>> When you come down to it, how do you read a picture anyway? Sure, you >>> can >>> extract text, but how do you read, for example, a photograph? Place a >>> center fold on a scanner, and a male synth will emit a deep heart-felt >>> sigh! >>> All kidding aside, how could a screen reader convey meaningful >>> information. >>> I suppose a tactile display might be able to do it two-dimensionally. >>> >>> Ted >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Jfw [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Andre >>> Jarreau >>> via Jfw >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 2:19 PM >>> To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' >>> Cc: Andre Jarreau >>> Subject: RE: PDF documents >>> >>> I'm told the resulting Word doc is an exact replica of the original PDF >>> including graphics and images, photos etc. However only the text of the >>> document is visible to screenreaders. Wish graphics and images were >>> readable by Jaws but they are not. >>> I've heard there is soon to be released a device called something like >>> BumpPad It's said to be a tactile I-Pad type device made for blind >>> people. >>> I don't know who makes it or when it will be released. It was described >>> as >>> being able to read graphs and possibly images. Don't know any more than >>> that. I will for sure be looking for it when it hits the market. >>> >>> Andre >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Jfw [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Greg >>> Nickel >>> via Jfw >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 12:31 PM >>> To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' >>> Cc: Greg Nickel >>> Subject: RE: PDF documents >>> >>> How does 16 do with the conversion of graphics or pictures in a pdf? I >>> have >>> been holding back from updating to 16 to let the bugs get worked out but >>> converting pdf's to word docs is a fairly useful tool especially if it >>> does >>> it as accurately as you say. >>> because >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Jfw [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Andre >>> Jarreau >>> via Jfw >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 10:20 AM >>> To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' >>> Cc: Andre Jarreau >>> Subject: RE: PDF documents >>> >>> Yeah, using Win7 and J16 latest build. The pDF copied and pasted into >>> Word2010 readily. It is now a Word doc and reads as though it were >>> written >>> in Word2010. Truly I['m a little blown away for the quality. Perhaps >>> this >>> one conversion was a fluke. For now I'm hopeful. >>> >>> Andre >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Jfw [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted >>> (CHFS DMS) via Jfw >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 10:14 AM >>> To: The Jaws for Windows support list. >>> Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) >>> Subject: RE: PDF documents >>> >>> No, I remember there were paragraph marks after every line. Of course, >>> that >>> was years ago, prior to AR 3.0. As for the image problem, that can be a >>> bear, depending upon the quality you have to work with. I have an old >>> Kenwood product manual that still looks strange, but is now useable, >>> thanks >>> to 16. >>> >>> Ted >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Jfw [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Andre >>> Jarreau >>> via Jfw >>> Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 4:57 PM >>> To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' >>> Cc: Andre Jarreau >>> Subject: RE: PDF documents >>> >>> Ted, I'm not sure what you mean by it not being the most attractive >>> document >>> around. The PDF Copied and pasted into Word is surprisingly clean and >>> reads >>> with no errors. Or are you talking about an image being converted into >>> text. That is often a mess as you say. >>> Andre >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Jfw [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted >>> (CHFS DMS) via Jfw >>> Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 12:30 PM >>> To: The Jaws for Windows support list. >>> Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) >>> Subject: RE: PDF documents >>> >>> Andre's way is an oldie but a goody. I used it back before AR was >>> accessible; but Bill is right, it won't do a thing for an image file. >>> Even >>> when it works, it's not the most attractive document around. >>> >>> Ted >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Jfw [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bill White >>> via >>> Jfw >>> Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 10:31 PM >>> To: The Jaws for Windows support list. >>> Cc: Bill White >>> Subject: Re: PDF documents >>> >>> That's not going to work in this case, because all she is getting in the >>> document are graphics. She may need to convert the document with OCR >>> software such as OpenBook. she can also use the services of RoboBraille >>> if >>> she can upload the document. >>> >>> I'll include the link for her here. >>> >>> http://robobraille.org/ >>> >>> Bill White [email protected] >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Andre Jarreau via Jfw" <[email protected]> >>> To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <[email protected]> >>> Cc: "Andre Jarreau" <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 8:25 PM >>> Subject: RE: PDF documents >>> >>> >>>> Another possible way. I did this yesterday. Opened a 245 page PDF. >>>> Then >>> >>>> I >>>> selected all using control-A. Then copied and pasted directly into a >>>> blank Word doc. Then saved the Word Doc under the book title name. >>>> Now it opens in Word remarkably fast and reads very well. It might be >>>> searchable. >>>> Hope >>>> this helps. >>>> >>>> I use latest J16, Office and Word 2010 on my I5 Dell laptop. >>>> >>>> Best >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Jfw [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ann >>>> Byrne via Jfw >>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 8:57 PM >>>> To: The Jaws for Windows support list. >>>> Cc: Ann Byrne >>>> Subject: Re: PDF documents >>>> >>>> If you have JAWS 16, have it convert the document for you. Press >>>> insert-spacebar, then the letter o for optical character recognition, >>>> then d for document, and let it run. When JAWS has finished, the >>>> document is not only readable, but it can be copied and saved into >>>> another form, such as Word or text. >>>> >>>> good luck! >>>> At 08:30 PM 7/15/2015, you wrote: >>>>>My office has a program that is supposed to convert pdf documents to >>>>>searchable text. The issue is that my sighted colleague said that >>>>>she could do a search of this one large document and find different >>>>>words in >>>> it. >>>>>However JAWS just read "graphic" Graphic" and gave me some numbers of >>>>>the graphics. 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