Charles I am in complete agreement with you on this one. Sense you and I
are about the same age (I will be 65 at the end of June), we have both seen
many companies that take advantage of both sighted and blind people. I am
not attacking HJ, because I think there product is pretty good, may be the
best, because I have not tried them all. I do think the HJ authorization
method is outdated and should be scrapped. I also think the consumer laws
are too loose and should be tightened.
George Marshall
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From: Charles Lott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, March 20, 1999 1:06 AM
Subject: Re: jfw authorization disk
>"Let the buyer beware" is a thoroughly evil caveat. You say the public
>has no right to demand that a business make changes in "legal" business
>practices. You and I both know that often businesses engage in shady
>practices just inside the law. Of course I'm not intimating that HJ is
>doing so in this matter of authorization disks; however, I do sy they're
>doing something totally stupid and archaic, and the public does hav a
>right to demand change because that practice is detrimental to the
>user's best interests. True, we can refuse to buy the product, unless
>it's Windows, and inspite of there being at least one better operating
>system, we can't use it because Microsoft has bamboozled all the
>software manufacturers into refusing to write for the better system...In
>that case, "Build a better mousetrap and the world will beat a path to
>your door" is simply not true. HJ is, as you say, well within their
>legal rights to use this outdated protection system; but if end users
>had a lick of sense, HJ would very soon have to change the practice
>simply to survive. You are indeed right in saying that the public's
>power lies in its use of its purse strings. Nevertheless, we have a
>responsibility to let HJ know how we feel about a system that endangers
>our ability to make the best use of the product we have been good enough
>to purchase from them.
>
>
>>From: David Maynard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>Subject: Re: jfw authorization disk
>>Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 21:23:46 -0500
>>
>>I'm sorry I confused you. I thought my statement was clear.
>>
>>In my 60 + years I have learned that a company can run its' business
>anyway
>>they choose as long as they do not defraud the public.
>>
>>The public can choose to buy the product or not. The business will
>respond
>>to the financial pressure. The public has no right to demand changes
>in
>>legal business practice. Anyone has the right to start a business in
>>competition. Some do and others just complain.
>>
>>While we are on caveat ; what about "Let the buyer beware"?
>>
>>Dave
>>At 06:29 PM 3/19/99 EST Charles Lott Wrote:
>>Mr. Meyers:
>>
>>I hear you saying that anything HJ chooses to do, regardless of the
>>effect it may have on paying end-users, is absolutely right, and that
>>the end user has no right to any objections. The last time I looked,
>>which may have been years ago, since I'm almost 65, there was a caveat
>>in the business world: "The customer is always right." The day we get
>>to the point where any corporation has the right to ignore the concerns
>>of its customers, this nation can consider itself doomed, yes, and
>>damnet.
>>
>>
>>>From: David Maynard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>Subject: Re: jfw authorization disk
>>>Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 17:27:07 -0500
>>>
>>>Well said, Walt! The key words in your post are "causing for
>>themselves".
>>>
>>>Evidently, HJ has legitimate business reasons for having the
>>authorization
>>>system. Anyone having the need for more than one authorization disk
>>can
>>>do as you did and purchase a blank one from HJ and move some of the
>>keys
>>>onto it. I know HJ has worked with some who have lost keys through
>>their
>>>actions and issued resets.
>>>
>>>All the whining is getting old. If one does not like the product,
>>which
>>>they could demo before purchase, they could have went elsewhere for
>>their
>>>screen reader and gotten one of the wonderful ones that HJ's
>>competitors
>>>are pushing on this list. .
>>>
>>>Dave
>>>
>>>At 04:04 PM 3/19/99 -0500 Walt Smith Wrote:
>>>I don't understand what you're talking about ... two sets of keys?
>Are
>>we
>>>talking about a computer program or a mini-van?
>>>
>>>I simply do not understand, as I've said before, *why* people have all
>>the
>>>problems they seem to have with keys. I'm not questioning that they
>>*do*
>>>have them ... that's painfully obvious ... but I started out with JAWS
>>>over a year ago, have moved it from system to system, upgraded from
>3.0
>>to
>>>3.2, etc., etc., and have never had the kinds of problems that people
>>seem
>>>to be capable of causing for themselves. The only problems I've
>>>experienced were the result of my own lack of attention ... like
>>resizing
>>>a partition without first moving the key back to the authorization
>>disk.
>>>I know there are others who also haven't had these problems, so what's
>>>really going on here?
>>>
>>>I bought a second authorization disk with no keys on it just so I
>could
>>>keep one at home and one at work at all times for purposes of removing
>>a
>>>key if necessary and this has proven to be a handy tool. Since it's
>>not
>>>provided as part of the base package, I fully expect to pay for
>>something
>>>like this. Can somebody, without resorting to hysterics or flaming,
>>>please tell me *why* this is such a difficult system to work with?
>>>
>>>--
>>>Walt Smith - Raleigh, NC
>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>
>>>"Do not handicap your children by making their lives easy."
>>> - Robert A. Heinlein
>>>
>>>
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