well ken i want to say that i understand jfw can read many new pages. that is why my original post was phrased the way it was. i ask what percentage. many new pages is really meanless when one considers that billions of sites are out their. i had a blind friend thinking they were doing everything wrong when it did not read every web page out their. of course like most new users they simpley bought into the miracle hype. back to end task. and unlike most on this list i usually resort to getting sighted help for doing the end task thing. when installing new software. one reason i hardly ever have icons flying across the screen for no reason. yes i want to not be dependant on sighted help. that is of the highest priority to me. so now it seems jfw 3.3 will still require the user to get sighted assistance. or risk screwing up their system. yes i do consider fixing the end task menu more importan than any application, the operateing system is after all used with all aps. also with aplications one can always find one that can do what you want that is speech friendly. we have no choice with the operating system like we do with aps. for the web their is web speak, home page reader, netscape, i e, and opera. some options that blind users have access to. now if hj is saying they would have to shift resources to do this, well i would say why not hire another programer. win eyes has sold a fraction of copies compared to hj. probley 6 times as many copies of jfw were sold. that means they have 6 times the revenue. i also find it hard to believe that it would take that many resources in the first place. you want to know why i say that, well how is it that all 3 of the screen readers i have experience with can do this. of course their resources are way less. by the way i never bitcch about the price, of jfw, but because of the price i do expect them to put some of that cash back into their program. i find it ironic hj would say it is to hard to do, when their competition in force has already done so. sorry if i misunderstood your relationship with jfw, though i did base it on the private post you sent me. bottom line here is i am not buying hj's excuse. by the way ken i am no dec talk fan either. like you i prefer the keynote. the problem their is that hj is not supporting the external keynote in win n t. nor does pulse data have a 32 bit software synth that works in n t. so i bought access 32 for use with n t, and while it is not my favorite software synth it kicks teeth in the face of eloquence. at least that is my opinion. i do realize many software options are available. by the way i think it would also be great if keynote was on the cd rom, but that to me would be a bonus, not an issue to bitch about. all i ask for access 32 is that they give it the same level of support as eloquence. keynote is not sold by hj, nor was it the focal point of a lot of advertiseing by hj. still it could be installled by cd rom disk if they wanted to. the keynote requires the key so no unauthorized user would be able to use it. in the process it would seem to me that if the cd rom could and did install these other synths that they could cut down on tec support questions. bill cameron At 07:31 AM 3/27/99 -0500, you wrote: >Hello Bill and All - > >Like you, I would very much like to see access to the Control-Alt-Delete >dialog. I have been pushing heavily for this for a long time. What i am >told is that when you're screen reader has the stability and other >advantages of being true 32 bit (as JFW does), this is a very complicated >and time consuming problem to solve. This would take a great deal of time >away from development in other, very important areas. That does not mean >that a solution will not be found, only that it must be prioritized among >all the very important work HJ is doing, work that gives us all superior >access to as many as possible of the applications we need. Being able to >use Control-Alt-Delete to install applications with better stability >doesn't buy you a lot if you can't access those applications efficiently >once they are installed. Since I am not truly on staff at HJ (as you >mistakenly said on another list) but merely write manuals for them on a fee >basis, I am not privy to all the developments here. I do suspect something >will happen to solve this problem in the not too distant future. You may >count on me continuing to needle them until it does. (That's another >advantage of not being on staff. I can say what I want and be an advocate >for the users' best interests.) Let's all keep pushing for this feature. >Knowing HJ, when it does finally come, it may come in a form better than >the other screen readers have. > >As for your comments about access to I.E 5.01 not buying a lot over earlier >I.E. versions, I guess I disagree with that. I find I can access many more >sites and work much more efficiently than with I.E. 3. Like you, I do not >believe that Internet access is everything, but better access certainly is >a benefit. And it is important to support the latest browsers because >older ones are incapable of dealing with the latest web site content tricks >that web designers love to use. > >As for Access 32, I cannot comment on this because I do not use it. I know >other beta testers do, but I strongly dislike this synthesizer to the point >where I never use it. This should not come as a surprise to anybody since >I've said it before. I'll have to leave comments about this product to >others. > >Finally, the points you made in your message strongly reinforce what I was >saying. That is, the Windows landscape is changing so rapidly that it >takes enormous resources on the part of any screen reader company to keep >up. What with Windows 98, Windows NT, Windows 2000, Java, etc, not to >mention all of the curves application developers keep throwing at us, no >company can possibly tackle every problem simultaneously. That's what I >said in my note, and that's essentially what you're saying as well when you >said your other screen reader had Braille 2 access but wasn't as good as >JFW in other areas. Well, it took a little time, but now JFW has both of >these things. Progress takes time, but when HJ is involved, you can be >sure you will have progress. It's your job and the job of other users to >keep insisting, politely but forcefully, on getting the features you want. >But let's keep a little perspective. Nobody, not even HJ, can do >everything at once. > >Best regards, >Ken >E-mail address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Please visit my store's home page at http://www.audionexus.com >- >Visit the jfw ml web page: http://jfw.cjb.net - Visit the jfw ml web page: http://jfw.cjb.net
