Hi Flor
Well, we do get psts from the head of development for JFW from time to time
he on the list and in the past we did get newsletters forwarded to us on the
list as well.
----- Original Message -----
From: Flor Lynch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 1999 9:39 PM
Subject: Suggestion following Re: jfw 3.31 final release!
> I think there's a need for HJ to (either formally or informally)
> communicate with this list on a regular basis. Ok, it's a public list.
But
> perhaps some kind of a weekly bulletin, concerning things that staff at HJ
> have found out about the JFW program, would be desirable. For instamce,
it
> would have been helpful for people to have been told in advance not to
merge
> RC2 with RC1 if they wanted to avoid continuing the
> numpad-announcing problem. Mmany of the messages on this list emerge from
> either a lack of understanding of, or not knowing where to look for
> information about the workings of JAWS For Windows. I was a JAWS For
> Windows user for quite a while before I joined the Internet.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ron Milliman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 1999 6:13 PM
> Subject: Re: jfw 3.31 final release!
>
>
> : It is most unfortunate that you keep missing my points! One of mmy
points
> : is that someone that just purchased JFW and shelled out the high price
of
> : the program has a right to expect not to have to go in and immediately
fix
> : bugs and annoying aspects of the program! Another one of My points is
> that
> : after all of us have pointed out, repeatedly, bugs and annoying aspects
of
> : the program, we should expect the final version to not include these
bugs
> : and annoyances. I fully understand the complexities of the process, but
> : some of these bugs and annoyances simply should not be in this final
> version
> :
> : I commend those of you that put in the time and effort trying to debug
> JFW.
> : I am not attacking you or anything you do. To the contrary, I admire
the
> : wonderful work you do. It is just so unfortunate that after all of your
> : hard work and time given freely to help HJ and the rest of us that
either
> : do not have the time or knowledge to participate in this process, that
HJ
> : did not incorporate more of your recommendations into the final version.
> :
> : Now, let us drop this and move on!
> :
> : Ron Milliman
> : At 03:21 PM 10/19/1999 -0500, you wrote:
> :
> : >Ron, while I do agree with you about the fact that hj should have fixed
> the
> : >bugs especially the numpad number speaking, fixing that one would not
> have
> : >caused any additional problems. However, it took you longer to write
> that
> : >message that it would have taken you to fix that problem, and take out
> the
> : >numpad out of the numpad numbers. I did not enjoy having to do that
> : >either, but it is done, and that part works fine. I think there are
> other
> : >bugs worse than that one.
> : >At 12:37 AM 10/19/99 -0500, you wrote:
> : >>I am afraid I simply can not sit here and read any more and keep my
> : >>keyboard shut, so to speak. Why should anyone pay the price for a
> program,
> : >>like JFW, and then, have to go in and completely reconfigure the
entire
> : >>number pad to get it to speak correctly or in a manner that will not
> annoy
> : >>the purchaser every time he/she uses it?
> : >>
> : >>This is absolutely ridiculous, and it was made abundently clear to HJ
> : >>before this last release was released!
> : >>
> : >>Now, maybe some of you have nothing better to do with your time than
to
> go
> : >>in and fix HJ's bugs, but I simply do not have the time nor the desire
> to
> : >>do that, and I know I am not alone here on this point.
> : >>
> : >>The comments I made before on this list were perhaps not conveyed
> : >>adequately, but I meant then, and still stand on my position, that HJ
> : >>should have caught many of these problems in-house before turning it
> over
> : >>to the beta testers on this list, and then, many of the problems and
> : >>concerns mentioned repeatedly on this list were either ignored or
> otherwise
> : >>not included in this last release, even after many of you put in
> : >>considerable effort in trying to help the process. Instead, we are
> already
> : >>informed that a bug patch is forthcoming for the release they just
> : >released.
> : >>
> : >>Do not misunderstand. I have been a strong supporter of JFW and HJ,
and
> I
> : >>still am. It is the best product of its kind on the market. However,
> this
> : >>last series of betas and near releases has created a lot of confusion
> and
> : >>controversy, which could have been avoided by slowing down the process
a
> : >>little and working the product through a few more itterations in-house
> and
> : >>then, with the HJ selected beta testers.
> : >>
> : >>Ron Milliman
> : >>At 09:45 PM 10/18/1999 -0500, you wrote:
> : >>>You don't have to do any script writing to take that numpad out of
> those
> : >>>numbers. Here is how you do it. It is tedious, but you must go
> through
> : >>>each number.
> : >>>
> : >>>1, press insert numrow+6 for config file,
> : >>>2, press shift+control+d for default,
> : >>>3, press alt+s for settings,
> : >>>4, press k for keyboard,
> : >>>5, press n until you hear numbers,
> : >>>6, start arrowing down to each number,
> : >>>7, tab twice to change key,
> : >>>8, press the space bar to change it,
> : >>>9, Now, type in just the number, and press enter,
> : >>>10, keep this up until you have finished number 9,
> : >>>11, tab to ok,
> : >>>12, press alt+f4, twice,
> : >>>At one of those times, it will ask you if you want to save changes,
> then
> : >>>press enter on yes, and now you will only hear the numbers when you
> press
> : >>>the numlock, and start pressing numbers.
> : >>>At 12:22 AM 10/18/99 -0400, you wrote:
> : >>>>To answer your rudely worded question about what's wrong with
hearing
> : >>>>"numpad" every time a key on the numpad is pressed, many of us like
to
> : >>>>enter numbers with the numpad instead of the top row of the typing
> : >>>>keyboard. It is much quicker to varify what we're typing if we don't
> : >>>>have to hear "numpad" before every digit! Your post also makes the
> : >>>>rather strange assumption that we are all intimately familiar with
> : >>>>scripts and how to change them. This may come as a shock to you, but
> : >>>>most of us are computer users, not computer programmers. I am very
> : >>>>grateful to the script writers on this list who have given a great
> : >>>>deal of help, realizing that most people have very little knoledge
> : >>>>about programming.
> : >>>>----- Original Message -----
> : >>>>From: Steve Matzura <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> : >>>>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> : >>>>Sent: Saturday, October 16, 1999 3:49 PM
> : >>>>Subject: Re: jfw 3.31 final release!
> : >>>>
> : >>>>
> : >>>>And what on Earth is so wrong with this behavior, and why on Earth
> : >>>>would you consider it a bug? If the script says SayString("NUMPAD")
> : >>>>then it's gonna say Numpad. If you don't like it, then rip it out.
> : >>>>That's why they give you the source to the scripts in the first
place.
> : >>>>
> : >>>>On Sat, 16 Oct 1999 03:52:14 -0400, you wrote:
> : >>>>
> : >>>>>Hi Chris
> : >>>>>
> : >>>>>I also found the same things with jfw 33135.
> : >>>>>
> : >>>>>If you don't mind me asking how do you go about correcting the num
> : >>>>pad
> : >>>>>problem only for now since i only got jfw 3.30 with a new p2 w98
> : >>>>system
> : >>>>>early in june.
> : >>>>>
> : >>>>>thanks in advance...
> : >>>>>
> : >>>>>
> : >>>>
> : >>>>
> : >>>>
> : >>>>-
> : >>>>Visit the jfw ml web page: http://jfw.cjb.net
> : >>>>
> : >>>>
> : >>>Walter
> : >>>-
> : >>>Visit the jfw ml web page: http://jfw.cjb.net
> : >>>
> : >>>
> : >>
> : >>-
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> : >>
> : >>
> : >Walter
> : >-
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> : >
> : >
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