Moderator Note: SHOULD WE FOCUS ON NATIONAL OR INTERNATIONAL HINDU/MUSLIM ISSUES IN FORUM MEANT FOR JHARKHAND REGION ? - Moderator -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Some how Nachiketa forgot to include in the list of victims of repression Kashmiri Hindus, Hindus in Bangladesh, Afghanistan, Malaysia. Everywhere in these countries Hindus are being slowly but surely diminished in numbers through a subtle form of religious genocide and forced conversion of expulsion. Perhaps Hindus are not?considered First among Equals, or Second Class citizens of these regions, and even the UN remains silent. He has also forgotten how Afghanistan, Pakistan, Bangladesh became Islamic and why India remains inclusive, how these other religions gained access into India through generosity of Hindus. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [email protected] Sent: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 3:55 Subject: Re: [ =>> Jharkhand <<= ] OFF-TOPIC - Caste / Class / SCs / STs / Hindu Jharkhandi Doston, Is tarah ki aapsi dushmani bandh keejiye. Yeh forum is liye banaya gya hai ki, iske dwara hum apne bandhoo jan ko madad kar saken and unke unnati ke lye raasta nikalen. Forum Coordinator should strictly ban the inclusion of such caste and religion-based discussions from being put up on the forum. Dr Ananthakrishnan > A person who is so conversant with Hinduism and our heritage that he > thinks > "Nachiketa" is a feminine name. Kya kahoon. > > Bhaiya, main na naxal hoon, na hi "commie"!! Main to ek sidha sadha > insaan > hoon, jishe aap jaise logon ka "cooption of hindusim for a political > purpose" bilkul pasand nahi. Main jitna Christian or Islamic > fundamentalism > se darta (fear) hoon, utna hi hindutva brand fundamentalism se. You don't > seem to understand this - like your hindutva ideology professed by RSS and > the likes of Modi, I am also a product of modern rationality. Now it is > for > time and democracy to decide which offspring of modernity will be > legitimate > and which will be illegitimate - your brand on exclusivism/hate based on > religion or my brand of humanism. I love "mere desh ki mittie" and "mere > desh ke log" - isliye main aapke jaise logon se bahas karta hoon - kyonki > I > understand the danger that your way of thinking represent. I see the > outcome > of the politics of hate and exclusion everyday - in Godhra, in post godhra > gujarat, in Delhi of 1984, in Iraq, In palestine, in USA, in serbia, in > Rwanda (the list runs endless, so do the rivers of blood and pain) and I > consider that one child's cry of agony arising out of this hate is more > painful and real than all the philosophy of hate that fundamentalists of > hindutva and its counterparts in other religions spew. > > Phir se aapko hath jod kar kehta hoon- kripya apne dil se is "dushmani" ko > nikaliye aur apne desh ke aaguntuk basant main bahar nikalke apne bhagya > aur > apne jindagi ke liye uparwale ko dhanyavaad kahiye. For this life that we > get is too precious to fritter away in hating the "other", creating > bitterness and pain. > > Regards > > Nachiketa > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 6:50 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Thakur Da ji >> >> I only introudced the websites exposing the true nature of conversion >> going on every second under our own nose right now and after Nachiketa >> used >> the faleshood propagation by communits inspired website of AWAAZ >> (bakwaaz) >> which has been condemned by Charity Commission in the UK for trying to >> falsify truths. The Charity Commision gave a clean chit to SEWA >> International for their efforts in rehabilitation process of victims of >> the >> earthquake in Gujarat and in this process evidence was provided by >> sponsors >> and Local authorities and MPs who actually went to witness >> rehabilitation >> being concluded successfully, instead of, as falsely alleged by >> nachiketa >> and Bakwaaz that the funds was used to kill Muslims. nachiketa is like >> Goebells, falsifying truth a million times in order to make it appear as >> the >> truth. >> >> Now she is crying foul play when I countered her attempts by sending the >> websites. nachiketa also called Swamiji, who was injured at Khandamal, a >> dhongi!! How absurd!! It is ok for nachiketa to use this forum to ply >> her >> Naxal and Commie views but does not like when countered, and asks for >> evidence, which he does not want to look at sincerely. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Dr.Dhanakar Thakur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 7:49 >> Subject: Re: [ =>> Jharkhand <<= ] OFF-TOPIC - Caste / Class / SCs / STs >> / >> Hindu >> >> >> Dear Nachiket, >> I am not for what A.. has written or what B has or had replied. >> The crux of the matter is that the country has witnesses conversions not >> on the basis of study or devotion but by terror and alluration and is >> not >> a matter of free India rather since around thousand years. >> You or me coming from Mithila has hardly anything to do with it as it is >> Pan-Indian phenomenon and India by and large has sufferred its value due >> to >> it. >> The policy of appeasement adopted by politicians have only divided India >> successively- 14th Aug.47 was not the first nor wopuld be last, if >> tenets >> of nationalism are not hooked to the traditions and culture of the >> country >> which though look multiple is in fact one viewed by many as different.. >> Good and bad persons are in every community not to talk of the religion >> but sorriloy the semetic religions (Juda, Christianity and Islam) do not >> preach for equality to all but call as Heathens for non-believers(in >> their >> faith).. >> Till it is restored to the truth that all radi are equal to reach the >> centre as God violence would be unabetted. >> Europe and now US is suffering because it had made to suffer others for >> long but the terrorisers will also suffer as revenge is no answer. >> >> Speaking about caste of Hindus in the same breath with the above is >> irrelevant- it is an internal matter of Hindu society to which it should >> address and has also been trying to (be Buddha or Nanank or medieval >> saints.. but they all are parts of the great Hindu umbrella not >> different >> because of their way).. >> For that matter even Semetics have stratifications their as I quoted in >> my last letter- do shiyas do not hate sunnis? >> The caste its genesis, fall ot and remedy is a different matter >> altogather.. >> Resrvations were given to them for that which has been tried to gobble >> up >> by other non-Hindu religions' persons who though admit they have not >> caste >> system but they want benifit on the name of Dalits and it would be >> fuelled >> by politician in coming days. >> Now even SCs/STs do not want to remove this tag as they get benifit due >> to it and it has widen the gulf between different castes, highly >> polarized >> by vote politics which has nothing to do with religious practice- >> If you are from Mithila you should be aware that there Brahmins have >> also >> four grades and the highest among them hate others worse than sometimes >> to >> other castes.. >> >> >> >> *Dr. Dhanakar Thakur* >> >> >> --- On *Tue, 18/3/08, Nachiketa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote: >> >> From: Nachiketa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Subject: Re: [ =>> Jharkhand <<= ] OFF-TOPIC - Fwd: >> christianaggression.org - Anti-conversion website >> To: [email protected] >> Date: Tuesday, 18 March, 2008, 9:07 PM >> >> Dear Thakurji, >> >> Please don't equate classes with caste. If comparison is needed - >> discrimination against blacks/african- americans or racism is more >> comparable to the treatment of lower castes in India, specially >> untouchables >> in India. I am also from mithilanchal originally and am well aware of >> the >> caste dynamics of the area and the discrimination against the lower >> castes. >> >> We must learn to take the good and bad in our society. Also, when >> persons >> on this site have been spouting hate against other religions, shouldn't >> people from other religions have the right to say something about >> hinduism. >> Also, the reaction by Clement's comment was against the bigotted >> nonsense >> spouted by Akhand, not against the larger tradition of Hinduism. I would >> have appreciated if Akhand would have sent us the websites critiquing >> Hindutva along with those critiqueing christianity and Isalm - them we >> would >> know that he not trying to create mischief and trying to divide us by >> saying >> that his belief has all the good, and others beliefs are all bad. We >> know >> that this is not true. All religions have good and bad elements - and if >> we >> start pointing out only the bad to each other, we end up dividing the >> country and the people. To say that only we are good, and every other >> person >> is bad, wouldn't really work in today's complexly linked world. >> >> See where the war on terrorism has taken USA - from a reasonably working >> democracy to a quasi-fascist state on the verge of economic collapse. >> Their >> war on terror is based on the same religious fundamentalism and >> exclusion- >> by painting an imagined enemy in another religion. Then we have our next >> door neighbor afflicted with wahbabi fundamentalism- Pakistan - do we >> want >> to get into the same situation with the radical brand of Hindutva. In >> today's age and time, there is no practical way that a society will >> survive >> by being exclusive and by alienating minorities. Which is what our >> Hindutva based friends are trying to get us to do. The challenge is to >> create a more inclusive and progressive society - and having a >> nationhood >> based on religion is no solution. There are laws which deal with forced >> conversion- and if neccessary further laws can be created- but the >> debate >> should be on rational, progressive grounds rather than fearmongering and >> hate. >> >> Till date I have seen no evidence of this evenhandedness from Akhand - >> and >> that is what is disturbing to me as well as other people on this >> listserve. >> >> Nachiketa >> >> On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 3:41 AM, Dr.Dhanakar Thakur <dhanakar_amp@ >> yahoo.co. in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote: >> >> > probably those who are non-Hindus should better not discuss about >> > Hinduism without going into dept as a student of phiosophy/comparati >> ve >> > religion goes. >> > The concept of Acchut /varnashram is difficult to understand but be it >> > clear that these were never to have hate. >> > Even today in Industrialized world there is a Class system. >> > One should read Anand Coomarswamy, A Shrilankan by birth(mother >> > Christian, father Tamil brahmin) who has defended caste system as a >> shield >> > to Islamic onslughts in India. >> > The Christians all over are also divided in different sects-RC, >> > orthodex, various types of Protestants and in Gao even I saw many >> > matrimonial advertisement as Roman catholic Brahmins... >> > The time is not far when Muslims of India would be recognising >> > themselves as Hindu Muslims and so Hindu Christians.. .probably that >> will be >> > a better day than this religion divided unreligious stands taken by >> one and >> > probably all. >> > >> > >> > >> > *Dr. Dhanakar Thakur* >> > Spokesman, >> > Antarrashtriya Maithili Parishad >> > >> > >> > --- On *Mon, 17/3/08, clement kujur <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> com<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > >* wrote: >> > >> > From: clement kujur <[EMAIL PROTECTED] com <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> >> > Subject: Re: [ =>> Jharkhand <<= ] OFF-TOPIC - Fwd: >> christianaggression >> > .org <http://christianaggression.org/> - Anti-conversion website >> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.co.in <[email protected]> >> > Date: Monday, 17 March, 2008, 10:34 PM >> > >> > A-Khand >> > But why there is a khand in Hindusim >> > The so called >> > >> > varnasram where there are achuts and vaishyaa forget of the Brahmans >> and >> > >> > the chitriyas >> > >> > love begets fire >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> > ________________________________________________________________________ AOL's new homepage has launched. 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